From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 10:31:25 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeBTx-0005Zy-7F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:25 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeBTp-0005Yy-7Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:25 -0700 Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so150339ywh.2 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ah6eVbQOgIZMAMjfy5SVBHTo4xfAUL0jU9Nytq9zlAU=; b=ZUeXSHDVFd4Gw5ugWDQssuMgaky1bOFn6jtUQ2VgDrWGr35hHPiLXQ8panUlByzmwF 8Y/DEgbYR69GVRoOoIfCwz7zkJkY9BJ1NyiXs1XTS/0RiPGic5evdQwe+31Si4pKV49S tguls/NGKC0HGlFeTVaWedywF6pJslaAVzDAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EBHNIoIc0Wx3PLAxMPk3GnY20TqFa2KeDVVkn35XuG6K30vseD3zdBfMukl21R9T6r HmHqD8h5Y7i2ZxlksnCK4R5O4tyJVupL+yTB3RP81X+1bOLpIaqe/vM9VVQTLjNpza/3 wqOJc3SwDBzpGI52jBkgqXUGAZaR3ntkci0TU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.38.17 with SMTP id q17mr114761agj.10.1250789470798; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300908200907p7514b599g5bd91f2393ac8e2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930908200722q955bd1x8bc039ed44060420@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200731lc1a4ba8s642007a3a81afdba@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930908200900gb58db68ycbfb28af3d9542d7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200907p7514b599g5bd91f2393ac8e2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:31:10 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560908201031r5fd77e68wdeebfc5238f2dbe4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Referring to selma'o in Lojban From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: "zo zei si zei bu" > oh wow, that's a good one.  does the {zo} quote the {zei} For camxes, yes. >or since {zei} is > "magic" does it take {zo} litterally? Since "zo" came first, "zei" has been quoted and thus neutralized. > Or does none of that happen because > {si} says "nope, I didn't mean to say {zei} there". "si" then deletes the preceding block. The following "zei" will grab whatever came before and form a lujvo with it and "bu". "bu" is inactive. > Hmmm, that brings up a > more general question for me. > > Does {si} juts erase a word or does it erase the word and any proto-text > results of having said that word. Just one word, unless a magic word has been in action. > e.g. if I say {lo gerku goi ko'a si si} > have I merely erased the words {goi ko'a} or have I erased the words and the > pro-sumti assignment that resulted from their being spoken? Just "goi ko'a". > Or, if I say > {mi klama lo zdani sa} and then someone else says {go'i} are they referring > to {mi klama lo zdani} or whatever came before it? It's not clear what "sa" does exactly, but "go'i" won't see anything that has been erased. mu'o mi'e xorxes