From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 17:16:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeHni-0005BV-RT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:15 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeHne-0005B0-OP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:14 -0700 Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so901216ywh.2 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=6zrFOy603ShgJsFzDPXcZDkaI5fQkle9azZHN3Po8+8=; b=tIojozqyuR+xjrbrZjI4JmxO7tp1qGzkx7CrLDzSY/wfmZDorfJGLGcA6wp92vPYBA Z7+BHdtXBiru8UgRJOY3CFf9HcDfsHMo7MOg7KnMWQOafav7wpau8ehAzIdkj2VbXA6n MDNGzztY+wSbTU/F9uYo8xJrliIODqNexlOg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=hh8+NOYAH8vutSDFuCN+OL93jMcFlQxYwL9qjkWIHmEAnRVG5DWYO516G3jEt8EISk Be4CE4duU4Zqt+2QGwOhXZLz9pJcC50EYmohU2IAssA3NpLZ4bCjVur1xs5Do/iYpMcO AZX07V7OkfPtCLLaCW2LTBJPhpqEO/zdrnTnw= Received: by 10.91.49.1 with SMTP id b1mr385978agk.55.1250813764426; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-10-132-215-217.uawifi.arizona.edu ([150.135.210.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 17sm2013535agd.26.2009.08.20.17.16.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20090820223413.GA28577@sdf.lonestar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:16:01 -0700 References: <817821.10705.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090820223413.GA28577@sdf.lonestar.org> X-archive-position: 2066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Just wondering, what reasoning was behind the decision to give the "h" sound a uniquely different symbol, the apostrophe? Was it to emphasize that it could represent any unused unvoiced fricative? Was it because it looked nicer in certain cmavo? On 20 August 2009, at 3:34 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tony hall .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> I'm not sure I understand the apostrophe correctly. Is it >> pronounced with an >> 'h' sound: >> >> .au is pronounced like "ow" >> >> is .a'u pronounced like "ahoo"? > .skamyxatra > > That is correct. As a variant, the apostrophe may also be > pronounced as any > unvoiced fricative not already used in Lojban, e.g., [θ], the sound > of the soft > "th" in "thing" (not the hard "th" of "this"). > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > li'a .e'i ca vondei .i mi na'e pu'i kufra loi vondei > > >