From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 22:01:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeMFJ-0002A9-FH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:01:01 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeMFG-00027X-CT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:01:01 -0700 Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so1460329ywh.2 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:00:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=DrEC8FInqzN0XtAMJK1YQLSQvid+xPTSs+C01V3kmxY=; b=TuhOjKuPDKB/ZYvF8IEATKz+BWhcmtXhSbWz592WpBz1MEywn1XpgQ1+VjeYuGWWPE zw5NGA3E80OSE0KQzVU295p3VC45T3MrrZgEREssfYiUUEnEL1ngkFFlyeAgGtgeiCtc cp0Osdcisd5LYSX+irbD6Ewt6rAyZTFlDwbfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=rjmRhrlZqZQCmPR5fAEqP/5eeUqO/K+Eifx/P0m/u6BApA9Pc5tVo+yyPCHDNNHMAh +XazkLSHkTzgYF7SGEsMBdGfSummdE6tCw6+Sgnp6rsjT/TLfqyGdyBCycb+avgvpL1g l9BL5tthrmjvYMH76SQpJWpCNSnU2BfolQeSU= Received: by 10.91.76.5 with SMTP id d5mr580555agl.68.1250830852129; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-10-132-215-217.uawifi.arizona.edu ([150.135.210.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1251758agc.7.2009.08.20.22.00.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3C66FE2C-DDF5-4658-BABD-9FFC4E1C52E0@choi.name> From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20090821045600.GA23987@sdf.lonestar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reasoning for the apostrophe (Was Re: Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:00:50 -0700 References: <817821.10705.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090820223413.GA28577@sdf.lonestar.org> <20090821021006.GA28775@sdf.lonestar.org> <498A72E6-B86F-46F3-99A9-DA79093EF08F@choi.name> <20090821045600.GA23987@sdf.lonestar.org> X-archive-position: 2077 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Oh dear, I failed to read the sentences before that part. My failure; thanks for the answer, though. :) On 20 August 2009, at 9:56 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Joshua Choi .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> Yes, but it refers to Chapter 4, which doesn't explicitly explain the >> reasoning. Whenever it mentions apostrophes, it's in something like >> "not >> including the apostrophe" or "not counting the apostrophe". I'm only >> guessing, but it sort of seems like the reasoning that "h" is >> represented >> by the apostrophe is to emphasize that it doesn't count as a letter >> in a >> lot of morphological rules. Is this right? > .skamyxatra > > Yes, that's essentially what the quoted passage says. Using a > letter of the > Latin alphabet in a system in which it virtually isn't a letter, > despite being > surrounded by other Latin letters which are treated as full letters, > was > expected to be potentially too confusing. > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- > genai loi pruce gi po'o loi se pruce cu cenba > > >