From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 21 04:20:56 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeSAx-000456-Rk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:20:56 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com ([209.85.218.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeSAu-00044W-VW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:20:55 -0700 Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so487121bwz.34 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:20:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OL9AnPXiIaaAa6dvUK/3iQGrTMFL62rChR8whvZXDTY=; b=KCrtAddzO1NvUrUJPcYDsfGBTrMyAyR2Z+Q4FFJSG9UogQvH5xz9DWDAwcFmxrsVdq GWYvphZaFvysIUu5IBn+oybMkHhH6wbrSxcb4QJJ1WQmggzErEDCvKsSNpxhCYvkG7qY 9XkKBv7MM6gnSwtVOcwaEbjwR0gro5zvfmaUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c47XaD2g++bx3UKxv5d3Xad55i299Lu6qPWar/lt6b43nEYZzhw2urpvFlR+yCUmaV riqgA566gdpxsb40kvfX9Hr6HutJoZdOiQjG+LR8xWX1V2skfNuE88/cn7iwvmXPJ7N9 M9eAHYwtPobZQa4KFJ50nvFPqjpkMZFKPIXHg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.62.146 with SMTP id x18mr180626fah.48.1250853646074; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:20:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090821032239.GA12245@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <20090821032239.GA12245@sdf.lonestar.org> From: Philip Newton Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: <537d06d00908210420s2669bc73ieccd65519ec9386c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:22, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com .fy. cusku > zoi skamyxatra. >> So will lots of other people who use the terms for different things, >> including English speakers who use it for the different between the two main >> sounds of "c" and "g" (hard = k/g, soft = s/j). > .skamyxatra > > I wasn't using "hard" and "soft" as stand-ins for "voiced" and "unvoiced"; I > was simply trying to describe the different pronunciations of English "th" to > someone I had no reason to presume was already familiar with the technical > aspects of phonetics. And it was pointed out that your use of those terms possibly caused more confusion than had you simply omitted them entirely. > How do you think I should have described [θ] and [ð]? As {"th" as in "thing"} and {"th" as in "this"}, for example. mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton