From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 21 15:40:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mecm9-0007U1-Cj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:40:01 -0700 Received: from mail-px0-f194.google.com ([209.85.216.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mecm6-0007Ts-Pm for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:40:01 -0700 Received: by pxi32 with SMTP id 32so3864285pxi.25 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:39:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ckYl3HCZuaICtVV6XA9yHHiOAbpPMYuizkIhtUGcpKM=; b=w6lddKEt81zlrBUgcVMfrtZ3vVVxNd+HOSxcjAQDQ1Og4/kTHwfOlJ1JzXv3buHRv6 40ly3/FlV0NFvWHABe43+BTKe32r47HNDPxLQE28rbMQpdsWkZr8/FR7i5lgjzUIkaFS Gr6GtzcyX4o/+4BOhSbbtsSyg4AkyKFa9qijU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MXh4CqQqb0U8ImGhdOc5DyU4UEn5wuZ+2l9KDr+Vjpr/2s4kbkGj7D2nMdxLqtkfo6 TiYRCqdfuANKlGgtG7P4d6s5ok8HTswxu46w3zItLSQnc7XLXne/p4xlER5f6IKrAqEh 2ZhkUbFWBV4vDe+QJb9CrCJ8a9KD74vFLnPnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.3.6 with SMTP id f6mr1185370wai.22.1250894392055; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Koulikov Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:39:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] "The pen is mightier than the sword." To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Okay, this is probably going to be a "phrase of 1000 possible translations" here, but how would one say "the pen is mightier than the sword" in Lojban while staying true to the original quote? (meaning? wording? I'm sure it would be different for each) [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.1 SUBJECT_FUZZY_PENIS Attempt to obfuscate words in Subject: -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 2082 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gabekoulikov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Okay, this is probably going to be a "phrase of 1000 possible translations" here, but how would one say "the pen is mightier than the sword" in Lojban while staying true to the original quote? (meaning? wording? I'm sure it would be different for each) Can Lojban even translate such metaphors directly with the result still being meaningful Lojbanicly? i.e. where someone who only spoke Lojban and no other languages would be able to understand the meaning (and relevance?) of this quote. Requesting translations and commentary, please! -Gabriel -- http://www.daviswiki.org/users/GabeKoulikov "There is nothing more foolish than science in the hands of a novice, except maybe science in the hands of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing." --The Legend behind Gabe Koul the Science Fool.