From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 23 10:04:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfGUr-0005Fo-OC for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:04:50 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfGUn-0005Ek-PI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:04:49 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so1425253vws.25 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CFBnElPnYncliYltTJkyqRXRa5XtXalKYyUse+QmOPM=; b=F4yV8P8Cm8FmZ915JZEzhKQh7d5puUTUp5Q/c/m9QkAO1JsHsVPDhWud6Zf6qDZX7m w+sZIMzHs8/qPmLIGWmAizYoxv1/uqACQkpk3l9Y4/JFGp+EazeekClgc3C/t7GUfRHw o+oyvFgl44nqtJKwx69f42+7Rb6snb0bxMVXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=m07jKjcdwbf1KPM2cm2VQQ5sOSp+th4AT54TpO8UvARew62YgdwkySvpLqGVj00n3Y I26728awUCf2xiTG/0d6egjktBWoFdwK8L5PCQ+h7LY3kaJ1xNzLiN0ssFonoTRKP1k0 1JpUjkKnjmDeVhnzbeAsEM2Wtx1mfZP6n6tVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.89.205 with SMTP id f13mr4373259vcm.23.1251047079509; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <523048.25448.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090821225617.GA1082@sdf.lonestar.org> <5a3750120908220037l2ea17eb1ue2dc1e3d9ce2cf65@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930908220408g21752c12yd44abd703bae9cc5@mail.gmail.com> <5a3750120908221037u6e49bec7ra8316c82dbbf5c03@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930908221226n38e5fbf0h1554794765d48876@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908221250w6ee9da23r471adf911ff312df@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20908222135j51851de3y35792138d489ac2c@mail.gmail.com> <523048.25448.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908231004j7768a000x775b771806f9cf14@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the sword." From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edb7ac581280471d21879 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: oh wow, yeah, it just occurred to me that this dicussion was happening in the lojban beginners list. This seems like a discussion that would normally happen on the lojban list, not in the beginners list. Just my opinion though [...] Content analysis details: (0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.1 SUBJECT_FUZZY_PENIS Attempt to obfuscate words in Subject: 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 2095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016364edb7ac581280471d21879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh wow, yeah, it just occurred to me that this dicussion was happening in the lojban beginners list. This seems like a discussion that would normally happen on the lojban list, not in the beginners list. Just my opinion though On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Stela Selckiku > > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:35:15 AM > > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the sword." > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > > my lojban is nowhere near good enough to be able to understand > discussion > > > about lojban in lojban. Could someone give me a brief synopsis of > what's > > > being said here: I gather that it's a minor disagreement having > something > > > to do with stress/emphasis of sumti? > > > > > > .ui sai > > > > Lojban is making good progress! I remember when I first joined the > > Lojban list, I think it was a bit more than a decade ago now, I > > wondered why all the debates about Lojban's grammar were in English. > > I felt that they would be much clearer in Lojban. And now we're > > finally to the point where discussion of Lojban in Lojban is common, > > so common that it's always even spilling over into when we're supposed > > to be teaching newbies! :> > > > > It's great that a number of newbies have progressed to the point that they > can communicate normally in lojban. But I suggest that they then move > their discourse to a more advanced list. We need to have an > English-language > list to attract and keep the next generation of newbies. > > totus > > > > --0016364edb7ac581280471d21879 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh wow, yeah, it just occurred to me that this dicussion was happening in t= he lojban beginners list.=A0 This seems like a discussion that would normal= ly happen on the lojban list, not in the beginners list.=A0 Just my opinion= though

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM, A. PIEKARS= KI <totus@rogers.c= om> wrote:




----- Original Message ----
> From: Stela Selckiku <selckik= u@gmail.com>
> To: lojban-beginners@lo= jban.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:35:15 AM
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "The pen is mightier than the swo= rd."
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote:
> > my lojban is nowhere near good enough to be able to understand di= scussion
> > about lojban in lojban.=A0 Could someone give me a brief synopsis= of what's
> > being said here:=A0 I gather that it's a minor disagreement h= aving something
> > to do with stress/emphasis of sumti?
>
>
> .ui sai
>
> Lojban is making good progress!=A0 I remember when I first joined the<= br> > Lojban list, I think it was a bit more than a decade ago now, I
> wondered why all the debates about Lojban's grammar were in Englis= h.
> I felt that they would be much clearer in Lojban.=A0 And now we're=
> finally to the point where discussion of Lojban in Lojban is common, > so common that it's always even spilling over into when we're = supposed
> to be teaching newbies! :>
>

It's great that a number of newbies have progressed to the point = that they
can communicate normally in lojban.=A0 But I suggest that they then move their discourse to a more advanced list.=A0 We need to have an English-lang= uage
list to attract and keep the next generation of newbies.

totus




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