From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 24 15:22:05 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfhvR-00017T-Mm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:22:05 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfhvN-00017A-Ts for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:22:05 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7OMLueJ015431 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:21:57 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n7OMLuhQ002713 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:21:56 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:21:56 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Distinguishing Type 3 and 4 fu'ivla Message-ID: <20090824222155.GA26713@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <95b2fb130908241456p6d89ee60y325e4e316fb58299@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95b2fb130908241456p6d89ee60y325e4e316fb58299@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 2098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 24 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. H. Felton .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Is there a way to always distinguish between Type 3 and Type 4 > fu'ivla? "cidjrspageti" is a Type 3 fu'ivla based on Lojbanizing > "spaghetti" to "spageti", and then attaching "cidj-" from the rafsi > for "cidja" for "food" and an r-hyphen. However, upon first > encountering that word in text could it not also be a Type 3 fu'ivla > based on a longer natural language word? .skamyxatra Assuming you meant "could it not also be a Type 4 fu'ivla," yes, it could be either, and there is no foolproof way to tell the two types apart. Considering that external knowledge is required in order to understand any type of {fu'ivla} in the first place, I don't think this is much of a drawback. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lu nibli lo jitfa va'o lonu lu'e vo'a lidne vo'a li'u nibli lo jitfa va'o lonu lu'e vo'a lidne vo'a