From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 25 06:10:12 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfvmt-0000Ak-EC for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:10:11 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfvmp-00007S-S0 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:10:11 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2463770vws.25 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hg6daASrQ1bmULKSTNlZdehvOb/Tw7vn9Midx9gxL1g=; b=ehzSUw2LKQB3YqylpwxlQ2KBwA3OU3IS0tKtv1eF5dXwIleZbZzrojV7Dc+HTa2j4B 7hYUW8q/v80wcJo89Y65kje36hzcXAhiaAQLn6+XTGrXDP8spl9bv0npGrQG5XlPdDXr QTIN23yxSwqY69mq1eV9sUBoUQeCwqeeC8kBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AVyBF+wBYlfGEe0L0UgLzrVtUUq47wO4Ysbnw7HuCLzTyI9xwodjiYRjfBSQlgKOBV Cm+kf+msp+DrKy462FEvOox9sw93p+DMdiZimCJ6SAcnPc0vv7U6ntQlQiXYVtERuvr3 oc0A5ka1GVdphZJsrnPYOrLhle4RpHUWNZd0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.18.17 with SMTP id u17mr7974357vca.26.1251205801586; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60908250543h4e805fb7u56f2dff058344ebd@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908241705j3bc1f118u7582440e2cd54e2@mail.gmail.com> <20090825001026.GB4151@digitalkingdom.org> <96f789a60908250543h4e805fb7u56f2dff058344ebd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908250610p72ceaf28s3f635cc764918577@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "don't do that" From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d51c582fe40471f70d04 X-archive-position: 2108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --00163646d51c582fe40471f70d04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh, so then you *can* point at abstractors? That is incredibly useful. I was worried that ti/ta/tu were limited to pointing at literal, physical objects since lojban is often saying things like "how can you *know* a person. You can know *something unspecified* about a person, but how do you *know* the person themselves" etc... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Robin Lee > Powell wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:05:38PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> so, last night chatting in the irc channel got me thinking about > >> common phrases that a lojbanic parent might say often enough to > >> their child. Given that, one that I came up with that I couldn't > >> figure out a good lojban equivalent of is "don't do that". > > > > ko na gasnu > > > > Or, better: .e'a nai > > > > -Robin > > > > Yes, "e'anai" is good. Of course, if you want to be more formal > (and therefore more menacing) "ko ba tarti ti ba'e no da" > (I firmly believe you can use ti/ta/tu to "point" to currently > occurring actions or states. If you don't feel that way, you can use > "lo cabna") > --gejyspa > > > > --00163646d51c582fe40471f70d04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh, so then you can point at abstractors?=A0 That is incredibly usef= ul.=A0 I was worried that ti/ta/tu were limited to pointing at literal, phy= sical objects since lojban is often saying things like "how can you know a person.=A0 You can know something unspecified about a pe= rson, but how do you know the person themselves" etc...

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mtur= niansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Robin Lee
Powell<rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:05:38PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
>> so, last night chatting in the irc channel got me thinking about >> common phrases that a lojbanic parent might say often enough to >> their child. =A0Given that, one that I came up with that I couldn&= #39;t
>> figure out a good lojban equivalent of is "don't do that&= quot;.
>
> ko na gasnu
>
> Or, better: .e'a nai
>
> -Robin
>

=A0Yes, "e'anai" is good. =A0Of course, if you want to= be more formal
(and therefore more menacing) "ko ba tarti ti ba'e no da"
(I firmly believe you can use ti/ta/tu to "point" to currently occurring actions or states. =A0If you don't feel that way, you can use=
"lo cabna")
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa




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