From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 26 21:57:36 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MgX39-0006PF-MC for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:34 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MgX36-0006P5-SK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:27 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so626872vws.28 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OeZ4Fpm+oOl0vqYTA4IdUfouinsVNO8p+vKCc9kykKI=; b=K9BX9YMrSXUbVS4LdCy4ln6LZw5MxhtcxpCJqmfjQO1AB0rYUbxRpjtFPBlw5gOiny +Ve1xqDkiHSYLUJ/5TJL+VhYUqvOxqFYdyhquOpgi6OGIfP2Eg7WvkcQ02YaL3BtGG+e JMyP30IfrV5tfBu57ih2PSl0AbdFV8j61vI6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VCqgEzvHO9AZjz7lEjuhHHXzXuVFs62Dpunc9OvTxx+CwS/AxaIzHmxCKSb7bxzgou utDbqJJZ1NJ7Bn6SryYa+OAm1PbiEkH4OgpkBldxcb31Ry4OpGpz5eDI61cWqJyNnik1 wTx7LGfuuDzUfa520J5SCmv3SM81PpVUVurk8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.127.193 with SMTP id h1mr11988874vcs.12.1251349038161; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908262333.37355.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <5715b9300908251541m363ca5ecqd59d5542cefafb29@mail.gmail.com> <200908260708.40011.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930908261821h7de0238fid34f3279cc7e5c07@mail.gmail.com> <200908262333.37355.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908262157g5d62ddaegfb810c09019b01da@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: as though From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd668a6e8e0eb047218661f X-archive-position: 2123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd668a6e8e0eb047218661f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit in what way Pierre? Just the in-directness/mental juggling of cmavo being done? It seems like such a rudimentary concept. I was kind of surprised that I didn't get a half-canned response from one of the veteran jbopre. Has this question never come up before? On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 21:21:06 tijlan wrote: > > 2009/8/26 Pierre Abbat : > > > Actually I thought of "tai" first, but "ko bajra tai lo nu da'i lo > tirxu > > > cu jersi do" doesn't make sense. An event of a tiger chasing doesn't > have > > > the form of a runner. > > > > That "tai" is a tag for the bridi, not the terbri/sumti. And the bridi > > "ko bajra" is not a runner. So the content of the tag needs no form of > > a runner, it seems. > > "tai" adds a place for something which is like something. The sumti being > placed in that place is "lo nu da'i lo tirxu cu jersi do". What is ... hmm, > my head's starting to spin. > > > >"ko bajra tai lo se jersi be lo tirxu" does make sense, > > > though. > > > > Is that more reasonable than "ko pe tai lo se jersi be lo tirxu cu > bajra"? > > I don't think it makes much difference here. I'm getting this image of a > man > stuck in one window, throwing a ball through another, being watched through > a > third. > > Pierre > > > > --000e0cd668a6e8e0eb047218661f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in what way Pierre?=A0 Just the in-directness/mental juggling of cmavo bein= g done?

It seems like such a rudimentary concept.=A0 I was kind of s= urprised that I didn't get a half-canned response from one of the veter= an jbopre.=A0 Has this question never come up before?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Pierre Abb= at <phma@phma.op= tus.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 21:21:06 tijlan wrote:
> 2009/8/26 Pierre Abbat <phma@= phma.optus.nu>:
> > Actually I thought of "tai" fir= st, but "ko bajra tai lo nu da'i lo tirxu
> > cu jersi do" doesn't make sense. An event of a tiger cha= sing doesn't have
> > the form of a runner.
>
> That "tai" is a tag for the bridi, not the terbri/sumti. And= the bridi
> "ko bajra" is not a runner. So the content of the tag needs = no form of
> a runner, it seems.

"tai" adds a place for something which is like something. T= he sumti being
placed in that place is "lo nu da'i lo tirxu cu jersi do". Wh= at is ... hmm,
my head's starting to spin.

> >"ko bajra tai lo se jersi be lo tirxu" does make sense,<= br> > > though.
>
> Is that more reasonable than "ko pe tai lo se jersi be lo tirxu c= u bajra"?

I don't think it makes much difference here. I'm getting this= image of a man
stuck in one window, throwing a ball through another, being watched through= a
third.

Pierre




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