From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 27 20:34:46 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MgsEg-0008Nw-Ek for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:46 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f199.google.com ([209.85.223.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MgsEd-0008Ng-Ke for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:46 -0700 Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so791533iwn.28 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j9PD7DHby4tH82Kj1qCQ20kUJi/6T8inVs08e4wMCvM=; b=wMcyQIHMXhgdRjB8cE+irpTkuESLsVvQpFyRoPj+rZnKIXg4dzAu1iunx6v5ctp87L QHsv3ca2bpwEmWXXt7GHL8o9pB0Ql0v0RUpmt+Row1M3PVtAMDCsWYtTc4HaQCBKSoME h7+RBCfMy+Pd1lGN+poL0tWaE5TUQgIKeHs+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PPGrooSlrphuNyLp8h/oUy+z38Y/U3DHhYEWiRnj5SEgxJdj+xBUok/3eURX0tIRfl 5x6s3uT9UPm/jhu2/dWijOW6H4QCRjzWSseCugCrworTX7bAUC9MQdZP/S9p+c1JYFeY Ti63zcTHhqOQn1RGFEkS7RgdjEeIaCpWBNEO8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.124.164 with SMTP id u36mr241393ibr.21.1251430477532; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:34:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300908251541m363ca5ecqd59d5542cefafb29@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908251541m363ca5ecqd59d5542cefafb29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20908272034r32b74bc8o5f7892ea65a0ef7f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: as though From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Something that I keep running across the need for is an idea like "as > though" as in the following example: "run as though you were being chased by > a tiger".  It seems like this would be something like "under figurative > conditions" or something but I really have no idea how this sort of thing > would be expressed.  Any ideas? I agree with all the suggestions of "panra". Another gismu I like for this sort of situation is "simsa". lo nu ko bajra cu simsa lo nu da'i do tirxu se jersi Make an event of you running be similar to a hypothetical event of you being tiger chased. The difference I think between being "simsa" and being "panra" is one of closeness of similarity. A "panra" is so close to identical that it differs in only one respect, while a "simsa" can differ in many ways, as long as it doesn't differ too much. I'm a little tanru happy, so I'd probably just say "ko tirxu se jersi pe'a bajra". But come to think of it, this hypothetical situation does sound like it might be a proper one for some elision. :) mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o