From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 01 05:49:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiSnr-0003tT-97 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:49:39 -0700 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiSnm-0003sz-Mh for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:49:39 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C2594795 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id n81Cmjd7020787 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:48:45 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id n81CmdnT020786 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:48:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:48:39 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears Message-ID: <20090901124839.GH5073@nvg.org> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED82B1@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED82B1@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-archive-position: 2145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 01:10:39PM +0100, Michael Eaton wrote: > Lojban <> Klingon. > > Perhaps a Klingon board or mailing list, and maybe a little research, would serve you better. Hey, no reason to bite the newbies. Sarah Leach: you probably want to subscribe to tlhingan-hol instead. The rest of you: Robin runs both the Klingon and Lojban mailing lists. http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/ has a prominent link to http://www.digitalkingdom.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi, which is used to join any mailing list run from lojban.org, including this one. I presume the source of the confusion is that the name of the Klingon mailing list is "tlhingan-hol" (not immediately recognizable to someone who doesn't know any Klingon), while this mailing list is the only in the list that contains the word "beginners". This is poor usability, and should be fixed. Might it not be possible to make Ecartis display only the Klingon-related lists to people arriving from kli.org? -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ As soon as we started programming, we found to our surprise that it wasn't as easy to get programs right as we had thought. Debugging had to be discovered. I can remember the exact instant when I realized that a large part of my life from then on was going to be spent in finding mistakes in my own programs. -- Maurice Wilkes discovers debugging, 1949