From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 02 05:26:45 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiovF-0007Yx-Ai for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:26:45 -0700 Received: from cluster-f.mailcontrol.com ([85.115.62.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Miov8-0007Xt-0R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:26:45 -0700 Received: from aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk (aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk [195.188.21.21]) by rly35f.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id n82CQZdE001297 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:26:36 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA2BC8.9CBE8A16" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: SRSLY, this hasn't been about Klingon for a while, now. Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED82DE@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears Thread-Index: Acorx6g8mKvUvDbJQUS2X8QppOiGnQAAHb3w From: "Michael Eaton" To: X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-06-00-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.70.0.145 X-archive-position: 2173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA2BC8.9CBE8A16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hence 'tend to' ;0). =20 To be honest, Lojban is a very attractive language for someone familiar = with programming, at least from my point of view, due to its logical = rules and construction. The syntax is very absolute, and there is = minimal interpretation of intended meaning compared to 'natural' = languages. It's very hard to misunderstand a properly constructed = statement in Lojban, as opposed to the vast amount of ambiguity in = english, for instance. /ramble -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Sara Brand Sent: 02 September 2009 13:18 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears Not all of us do. I'm only barely following this discussion. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Michael Eaton < = michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, I think we now have compelling evidence that = purveyors of Lojban tend to have a coding background. -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Michael Turniansky Sent: 02 September 2009 12:45 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Michael Eaton< michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote: > Also applies in SQL, where I use it most. To my knowledge, <> is the = more 'common' cousin to !=3D > > > <> meaning 'not equals' has been around at least since 1983 > (Locomotive BASIC and IIRC all popular BASICs written after then) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_equal >> >> In AutoIT "<>" is used to mean what "!=3D" means in java/c/etc... >> >> I could be wrong but I believe the same is true of InstallScript >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequation >> >> I think I've also seen "~" (tilde) and a NOT sign (small sideways = "L") used >> before "=3D" to make it mean "not equal to". I suppose I could chime in that in MUMPS, the not equal operation is '=3D, but I won't. (But then again, all statements I make are a lie) --gejyspa http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as = part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as = part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. *************************************************************************= *****See the Blackpool You Tube video aimed at attracting French = visitors by clicking this link http://www.visitblackpool.com/jetaime = *************************************************************************= ***** http://www.blackpool.gov.uk/EmailDisclaimer/ This message has been scanned for inappropriate or malicious content as = part of the Council's e-mail and Internet policies. =20 Click here = to report this = email as spam. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA2BC8.9CBE8A16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hence 'tend to' ;0).
 
To be honest, Lojban is a very attractive language for someone = familiar=20 with programming, at least from my point of view, due to its logical = rules and=20 construction. The syntax is very absolute, and there is minimal = interpretation=20 of intended meaning compared to 'natural' languages. It's very hard to=20 misunderstand a properly constructed statement in Lojban, as opposed to = the vast=20 amount of ambiguity in english, for instance. = /ramble
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From:=20 lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org=20 [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Sara=20 Brand
Sent: 02 September 2009 13:18
To:=20 lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: = klingon=20 swears

Not all of us do. I'm only barely following = this=20 discussion.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Michael Eaton = <michael.eaton@blackpool.go= v.uk>=20 wrote:
Ladies=20 and gentlemen, I think we now have compelling evidence that = purveyors of=20 Lojban tend to have a coding background.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:lojban-beginners-bounc= e@lojban.org]On=20 Behalf Of Michael
Turniansky
Sent: 02 September 2009 = 12:45
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject:=20 [lojban-beginners] Re: klingon swears


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:07 AM, = Michael
Eaton<michael.eaton@blackpool.go= v.uk>=20 wrote:
> Also applies in SQL, where I use it most. To my = knowledge,=20 <> is the more 'common' cousin to = !=3D
>

>
>=20 <> meaning 'not equals' has been around at least since = 1983
>=20 (Locomotive BASIC and IIRC all popular BASICs written after=20 then)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_equal

>>= ;
>>=20 In AutoIT "<>" is used to mean what "!=3D" means in=20 java/c/etc...
>>
>> I could be wrong but I believe = the=20 same is true of InstallScript
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequation
>>>>=20 I think I've also seen "~" (tilde) and a NOT sign (small sideways = "L")=20 used
>> before "=3D" to make it mean "not equal=20 to".


 I suppose I could chime in that in MUMPS, the = not=20 equal operation is
'=3D, but I won't.  (But then again, all = statements=20 I make are a lie)

         =20  --gejyspa





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