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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Absolute and relative quantifiers
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Hello everyone!
According the *xamoi ckupau* of the "reference grammar", the usual outer
quantifier of a mass/set is something beginning with *pi* e.g. *piro *,*pisu'o
*,* pici* . That is, we specify which portion of the whole the mass/set
comprises. However, what if I want to specify the exact number? For instance

*pinonononononononopa loi remna cu bevri le pipno*

means that the piano was carried by a mass of humans, numbered earth
population x 1E-9, that is, about 7 people. However, what is I want to
specify the exact number of people comprising the mass? Is it legitimate to
say

*ze loi remna cu bevri le pipno*

On the other hand, what if I want to use a relative quantifier with
individuals? For instance, can I say

*pici le nanmu ca tavla*
*
*
In the sense that "a third of the men are/were/will be talking" (not
necessarily to each other or together in some other way)?

Thx a lot for any help!

Best,
 Squark

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello everyone!<div><br></div><div>According the <i>xamoi =
ckupau</i>=A0of the &quot;reference=A0grammar&quot;, the usual outer quanti=
fier of a mass/set is something beginning with <i>pi</i>=A0e.g. <i>piro </i=
>,<i> pisu&#39;o </i>,<i> pici</i>=A0. That is, we specify which portion of=
 the whole the mass/set comprises. However, what if I want to specify the e=
xact number? For instance</div>
<div><br></div><div><i>pinonononononononopa loi remna cu bevri le pipno</i>=
</div><div><br></div><div>means that the piano was carried by a mass of hum=
ans, numbered earth population x 1E-9, that is, about 7 people. However, wh=
at is I want to specify the exact number of people comprising the mass? Is =
it legitimate to say</div>
<div><br></div><div><i>ze loi remna cu bevri le pipno</i></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>On the other hand, what if I want to use a relative quantifier with=
 individuals? For instance, can I say</div><div><br></div><div><i>pici le n=
anmu ca tavla</i></div>
<div><i><br></i></div><div>In the sense that &quot;a third of the men are/w=
ere/will be talking&quot; (not necessarily to each other or together in som=
e other way)?</div><div><br></div><div>Thx a lot for any help!</div><div>
<br></div><div>Best,</div><div>=A0Squark</div></div>

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