From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 07 19:40:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MkqdB-0007xF-Mo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:30 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mkqd5-0007w2-8F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:29 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2144923fxm.34 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:message-id:disposition-notification-to :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=WoLMtrCuErXP8lHVlmaQEodPvGrGs6Nv0z7e6m99Dj0=; b=ADGBdKh8Eg3Pg2V8uPG9+I18It8sq4hQEp4BoDBpUJ2Qtfk14EgRm0rhkiF9L/ioUS 8mG6lDbPm3PaGYqIsePkUzqwbfxWRaU1MTC5QaAUxAN0dq5nuTLq28bmFUA82VwW4LcG PUxj/nhGKUC9MKwT/P5Fbtg5szhcOhdAf/T6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id :disposition-notification-to:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject :date:to:x-mailer; b=ZBwJQaOt8ihiHI/DnzdkhBZJsSJH2zV2IczNB3YAnNwXKVXvH14bFS7PzwW+hO3xOl SkXG2fQEouno1ZBTruTejocTU1g5sGnJAVHe8blYLhamu07yGR8gsdaFOq91qr7QBBCi Qkw9Hhgm/nmwBj5KC8wOSd15hlpSKO/WsxBbg= Received: by 10.204.151.83 with SMTP id b19mr12779077bkw.102.1252377616604; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.201.8? (203.123.94.110.static.rev.eftel.com [203.123.94.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm8073193fkt.16.2009.09.07.19.40.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:40:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909072217.00840.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <5715b9300909061025w39db3696k72c6511910cc454a@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909061740w3e25dc9dl774fa067f00b850a@mail.gmail.com> <5B77BEB6-3093-4FEC-BD9B-E8305C5E2A57@gmail.com> <200909072217.00840.phma@phma.optus.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: henka stickebana Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: help with lujvo kilga'axa'i Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:40:07 +1000 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-archive-position: 2238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: henka.stickebana@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Do you mean "nut cracker" Pierre? In the many varieties of english some terms for ordinary items are, well, varied. By crow bar (in Tasmania, Australia) I refer to a nearly 2m long staff of steel, perhaps 3cm in diameter, sometimes with two pointy ends, sometimes with one pointy end and a flat 'tamping' end used in fencing (as in "making fences" not the sword-play). I would never used such a huge piece of steel to crack a nut. (Thin versions are used as digging sticks which would have traditionally been made by hunter-gatherers out of wood.) ;) maikas On 08/09/2009, at 12:16 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 07 September 2009 07:25:24 henka stickebana wrote: >> kinli grana would be enough of a tanru, and while this would be >> enough to refer to both hunting/fish spears and digging sticks, if >> not crow bars or jemmy/pinch bars, would a more appropriate lujvo not >> be: > > A crowbar is a cfinyvra, which can also refer to a nutpick. > > Pierre > > >