From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 08 15:48:10 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml9Tu-0003Wv-AR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:10 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml9Tr-0003Wa-6m for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:10 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2787432fxm.34 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U1rPIIcUtGsQB2Li9fByp5L21F3l851O2XYuAAvjbeY=; b=EIEii9KVuWcWMHX9BeJXVOTPhKEKHLKnXUKfx2E3/0xJcl+F6itzdMoGDtD+Ssgr7E TOV9A56/W3I2x0/as/LQxTQ2jVj5SXvt56SXaz7snHgl40ISppt1U1WIQbx4rtm1KMzx W5A1QcIt+Oi04QRMfaN3r+FPTWxp5s/uEC7co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Rb1I4oO8Qdl/zR3B+QgaYPANoK+6YX7/UnZ9Oz7CXqfKl/fMfovisq/OlLwyb99Ssv tyhNdjEzljI00jHvLDf1u8eZjS6dgyMYWY+qUzikrueGwIVMnkdZ2mh732M6Rm1P0tVG m7AASnsr18aHjHWReLZ96wHv5ZkKUlNIHjvWU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.215 with SMTP id h23mr6197284faa.59.1252450080953; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:48:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12d58c160909081354w350f49d7p195fd2e53959844b@mail.gmail.com> References: <96f789a60909071000m7efdb840kcb37646a3cd5c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081255m2215bd02oae0eb2cb8949463e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160909081354w350f49d7p195fd2e53959844b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:48:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a64b90d758d1466d Message-ID: <4de8c3930909081548i78f90850w68cfcb69aecbf4e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: let us From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/8 komfo,amonan : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: >> >> I always thought "let us" (or, more commonly, "let's") was a way to >> say first-person plural imperative of verbs in English. For example, >> "let's go" - first-person plural imperative of the verb "to go". > > I think that's just because that's how it's explained in the grammars of > (some) Indo-European languages. "Let's go", "Allons", "Vámonos" -- they're > all referred to as imperatives when you learn these languages' grammars. In Japanese, for instance, "Let's go" is usually translated as "iko", based on the verb "iku" (go), which then may be translated into Lojban as "klama .e'u.i'i". Modern Japanese has no first-person plural imperative, to the best of my knowledge. (The second-person singular/plural imperative of "iku" is "ike".) mu'o mi'e tijlan