From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 04:41:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlLYQ-0006oc-Qx for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:41:39 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlLYN-0006nb-8n for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:41:38 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so3062345fxm.34 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Xn4vwB/MVAuIk+sC0NjPnKw1nZSbzilKO1IQZXk0qVk=; b=V0yv6vkTLlF8RUpO8gl3/+QIbGA2WUR5cbf1Ksp1qvQwA4REgXpKtlCPX9e0oaWMW+ CVVsLHg8iRdzfZuxwChM5Bsu+P2FO93Ps9ncPV+VghWvAN7zSwAS3KhtBxUXgsPZFb/a CXK6xuLns3gzEapveeep5QPSd8rZdIkL3oxOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=U69pvjljoMEzMNaBhOqtYybkhEXJvvMvrfWRm9iaB4PcnmVIKOKlypptidtYONbYg/ VoNRnm/H1obsVcg9dKfQQn8bmYD0WIfr+QPKcqK9QTwvUmODUunsPr8xt1Ol0U30C/OM TZiCsQD52mVupR2fRaxOnDKBKbp8ppvjK+oUw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.79 with SMTP id t15mr121641fau.26.1252496488394; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:41:28 +0200 Message-ID: <52a782220909090441i416ad50bo288beef047f99cbf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] lojban for beginners From: Alexandre Dezotti To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dezotti.alexandre@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo these lessons seem pretty and interesting, but i'd like to make few comments. Unfortunately, the authors have not avoided the use of stereotypical example, i don't blame them for that since it might be unconcious, buit it must be corrected. In pages 41-42, approximately where lu'o is introduced, we find the following examples "three men carry a piano" and "ten girls kisses somebody (whoever)" This is a perfect example of the consequence of unconsious sexist stereotypes : "men have strength and do hard things" and "women fulfill men's sexual demands". These unfortunate examples (in the same part of the text!) have to be replaced by non sexist ones. Moreover, one might wonder about the use of the word 'facki' (with cnino sounds like a pleonasm) about columbus travel.