From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 06:21:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlN6o-0008BK-2w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:21:14 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlN6k-00089Z-4a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:21:13 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so3118211fxm.34 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xC8fPFn9zgBgTKsg9gGURGJB3wMpMrJWjCEAF3DkqU8=; b=mZ8lAPWcOFNzmy4DNIGGBxoSb3CV/VXmmUMpftAE+hpzCiomsG2PH6RejHOLjO0Hor jKahIfXMQccuiqImRt1KraJC9FSpNhZCOd5nq0Kz6jIDzAamfnc8a2xte5vd4tFAEdwK xe4M4188deB77jfM4PUmnINlAisBSdQTF4tYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=r8b1BDr+ApvjEOffwaN5+bY6P+SXdSnw5YJY4sWJndeLTet86MZjsdoLAxFgW3RShf lbsTFYf2pKMzXh8w6nOe7zTHIPkDdVKV6bZtRXGDUfOSoMFBFvfCEjJUiFRnvsaVNRVf gDK/3i1kvb6g0Tiql0jkzFDJva+z+ZiuijG24= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.145 with SMTP id c17mr19590hba.14.1252502463390; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52a782220909090509r3053209dw2fcfe445118866ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED8376@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <52a782220909090509r3053209dw2fcfe445118866ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners From: Nick Knack To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6c9106926d3047324f455 X-archive-position: 2265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: knack.gillum@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001485f6c9106926d3047324f455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Quite frankly, as a female, I'm offended that you find those sentences sexist. It's comments like yours that diminish *real* sexism. I'm sorry to be harsh, especially in my first reply to anything in this mailing list, but you find fault where there is no fault and that is wrong. Men carry pianos and women kiss men, women also carry pianos just as men also kiss women. Women also kiss women and men also kiss men. We don't need to point all of these examples out just to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside; thinking we need to do so is what I find demeaning. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Alexandre Dezotti < dezotti.alexandre@gmail.com> wrote: > >Now,I have to ask the question: Don't you have something productive to do > instead of >thinking up meaningless changes to other people's hard work? > > this is about cultural fact and not only personnal work. > Indeed this is productive in view of social relationships, that you > have not yet understood. > > > > --001485f6c9106926d3047324f455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quite frankly, as a female, I'm offended that you find those sentences = sexist.=A0 It's comments like yours that diminish real sexism.= =A0 I'm sorry to be harsh, especially in my first reply to anything in = this mailing list, but you find fault where there is no fault and that is w= rong.

Men carry pianos and women kiss men, women also carry pianos just as me= n also kiss women.=A0 Women also kiss women and men also kiss men.=A0 We do= n't need to point all of these examples out just to make everyone feel = all warm and fuzzy inside; thinking we need to do so is what I find demeani= ng.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Alexandre De= zotti <= dezotti.alexandre@gmail.com> wrote:
>Now,I have to ask the question: Don't you have so= mething productive to do instead of >thinking up meaningless changes to = other people's hard work?

this is about cultural fact and not only personnal work.
Indeed this is productive in view of social relationships, that you
have not yet understood.




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