From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 06:39:48 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlNOm-00020Y-Bq for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:39:48 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlNOj-000203-1Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:39:48 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so2669135vws.28 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Td98LVkUUHktzNW92tfYwlLB5NCjyvzGRoVRFG3UB+A=; b=FFZ7jB2q6vqq3X2/JGrYJ74yQ4OYNNHPxP8HMjqPkqmzU/STG2BVB1CvJ13sSryghd RDscJGYzgazXQvFhSiVDciqwiBnbAywJIzt7dcQ65hLmHtvGEV5xdn2cgYI5ecGEnPA6 oKhLg/z5OdUCXpgXM0ASHqoE3LGH06YDetWzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oFwoZ2RXYKY6Umy5UTNHGhS0O7LBIHhBrbHwWjw5ldOR6WAk3SvKMG8TuKnoDZuEnn /fIgqtWzrQ/JTgphv6Ig2TKDu7lTgZL78J9KR2PPaRxv1tJEnKcSFhvg+xFQf53Xb296 upJNkL37j3DoZakqa67OdbVl9c6emF4drG7Wk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.74.6 with SMTP id w6mr480866yba.317.1252503578816; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:39:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909081255m2215bd02oae0eb2cb8949463e@mail.gmail.com> References: <96f789a60909071000m7efdb840kcb37646a3cd5c7c5@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081255m2215bd02oae0eb2cb8949463e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60909090639tb36d6ffj5e039926ceb6393c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: let us From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Squark Rabinovich wrote: > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> If you are not using a cmevla after a COI/DOI, it means that you are >> actually identifying a member of that category, so the la becomes >> necessary if you are using a brivla for a name (like "gejyspa") when >> using COI/DOI (admittedly, most people informally drop it in >> conversations with me, but strictly speaking, it is necessary, unless >> I really am a rootish plant by some standard, which I'm not). > > I don't agree. See section 9 of chapter 8 of the reference grammar. co'o > xirma can stand for co'o le xirma or co'o la xirma .i'a.i'o mi pu se dragau do .i .uiro'e lo tadji poi mi ta'e pilno cu drani I stand corrected. Good to know the way I've always used it is correct. --gejyspa