From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 14:34:41 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlUoK-0007fX-Od for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:34:41 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com ([209.85.218.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlUoG-0007er-UL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:34:40 -0700 Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so173551bwz.34 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HauYFgxoKe5IbrwCdga50m0bUhRetRDN4jP40DfWtIM=; b=wQWF3d6iWh8I7agAJbOciBVMt0tVtlPFZdv6VJMmct5xRLjeFRUmh//1yzX64N4t6S Pb6znwphsQ38Y1HuR106awOA+WnPVyvWmRx98WPyPKy/rDmb/zZg/X5QQYYU5BBTfhoE tkCLFq/T3vy2kjzcibL2pVQX0VGs/ihcblFaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UXKx+ZprO92qg80+bxJyiggDkOg+94H7fWJWop09PtHrQKKKRkKah1r2oCYvy4jZzV 7OklEVTQtPubVWn/GaWoT0bEQhpG9jv1V2+X8sfKJnSvaVq3a1ZBBR+Uzzwlp8XrCnPB jyZMTTanIrBM65tPmlhg25rRxQiAjT/EyXdvs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.98.19 with SMTP id o19mr743564fan.82.1252532070203; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090909190536.GA804@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D381BED8379@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> <52a782220909090715l1d9204bfy78d8ab0028991b38@mail.gmail.com> <20090909190536.GA804@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:34:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a7d88e2d8d701be Message-ID: <4de8c3930909091434s79fd356t9f8bac615bd676d1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/9 Minimiscience : > de'i li 09 pi'e 09 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Alexandre Dezotti .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> What is demeaning is having always the same examples. >> It's not diminishing sexism in any way, on the contrary, sexism is a >> fact of the whole society and not just a personal choice. One cannot >> just say "well, you could think yourself about some woman carrying a >> piano", this kind of behaviour just tries to deny the public >> acceptance and the innate sexism nature of the society. The aim is not >> making people fuzzy inside, it is rather avoiding to perpetuate the >> sexism in the minds within our cultural expressions. > .skamyxatra > > So your complaint is that the examples fail to go against the status quo of > language textbook examples? You wish to practice reverse discrimination in > favour of non-stereotypical examples? At least less-stereotypical examples seem easily achieavable without lapsing into reverse discrimination: "three men carry a piano" --> "three people carry a piano" "ten girls kiss somebody (whoever)" --> "ten children kiss somebody (whoever)" "la kolumbus. facki tu'a lo cnino gugde" --> "la kolumbus. pa re'u penmi lo nalsau gugde" mu'o mi'e tijlan