From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 15:21:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlVXb-0002ey-Bf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:27 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlVXY-0002en-5S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:27 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so5584048ewy.0 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1mXXpZMh3W8zQkHWk5x/Bc2NY68fjLceo7l6GoNZR8E=; b=EjkKyS5hXalm2N2y5jT2NAAiHiCDCrU1IJC5eD/YV0OAaq7G/UPbJK2ozWXfdgcWaR 7Nwpr6PNHdrNbYN2BdR/faPI+KS39R0fWysvq37kLv7YlesTz0P6gjMDW2+w8L/+SRZY JZuErr5xGrupEinhY0AxmvbJTZ1sgCWUGgJLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wCNwf0a6bhDvL/fEP/8tWT6ufxFDg9rnequ4t/bpvglU8mXejUBRH98q01RE7jW2nC jK9UuwOKSn8Yxz36mxuN05C6LHYz9h3jbIEIlwnHl/VMFdRb2teWOUYgBlkZKrFDAL8N dTodqKFb3hg2UXo5PMAVLnOkE9uFZueDk6Xag= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.195 with SMTP id a45mr188652wef.63.1252534877463; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909091505r11bea9e9qa3305eb7b1edaf34@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ada8ecd0909081255m2215bd02oae0eb2cb8949463e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160909081354w350f49d7p195fd2e53959844b@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930909081548i78f90850w68cfcb69aecbf4e7@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091353g5c75c195tae9d36a4212edd99@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091415i58a0b794h38d98132c6861d88@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091505r11bea9e9qa3305eb7b1edaf34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:21:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: let us From: Ivo Doko To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/10 Squark Rabinovich : > My impression was that a regular imperative is always translated using > ko but if we want to make it more polite we add an indicator such as e'o . > This makes sense since the basic meaning is the same: "I want you to do > something" but there is an additional flavor that may vary: "you are > obligated to this", "you aren't obligated to this, but I think it's a good > idea", "you aren't obligated to this but I would be grateful if you do" etc. Oh. I thought that ko meant specifically an order. There aren't many flavours you can put on orders, though... But I admit that I'm not very proficient in Lojban although I am learning. If you're right and I'm wrong (and I wouldn't be too surprised if that were the case) then great, all we need to agree upon now is whether "Let's " forms should also be translated using ko and, when appropriate, some other attitudinals.