From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 18:39:38 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlYdO-0007dL-83 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:39:38 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlYdJ-0007d3-Ls for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:39:37 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090910013926496.MVII26991@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:39:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D0EA34D for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:39:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909092139.21552.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wednesday 09 September 2009 20:34:11 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > I think you have misunderstood. > I interpret the comment to mean that the combination of "facki" (discover) > and "cnino" (new) is redundant. If something is discovered, it's new, and > that fact doesn't need to be stated explicitly; it's inherent in the > meaning of "facki". > I think I agree. lo se facki could be not new. It could be merely previously unknown to le facki. If I go to Raleigh by a route other than the 77-85-70 one I took decades ago (or just 85-70, since I now live just 200 m from I-85), and other than the route Greyhound takes, mi facki lo pluta la carlyt. bi'o la ralix., even if Foulain Untel has taken that route a hundred times. Pierre