From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 10 09:41:34 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlmiD-000330-Jb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:33 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mlmi8-00032Y-0d for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:33 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so100894fga.10 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5Sf42aD9pKF7cy16hZ8a2Qrir/xle7wzZpsXYvmCuSI=; b=AGyX42WLiN+9kYR3xCz3cCfDWELYBxESIctDg8ktnK88Y4jKsbutX40NBS0i1aTrdW wzXXB269/FloSRg5I2uDbfTUuFBqa4GvmD4aaPsCK41fn1twSIyRuzy+E4u17BQ1UvIc OsVsfN5lxQ9MI0XXJwQB6DkK4Po+lRWtfp3Zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EEX+8W2HH4uIBiiu4TgsAMI1oxmyO9q3rX5NbMCpnXhdo4TDhBKtnDevZ4WJnrQYZb JDWEmzwl6/lQzyJ05uQP3Sfebbt85pmpbjBfK1HsrqrmAvl/0n2dItUkAfUxbLqEEDz0 9N5UxUb+HPi48MxqslxQHUJHa7x7DzRSVKWyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.32 with SMTP id r32mr170410hbr.86.1252600886307; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:41:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300909100844p3ec611a9hc8ee25e22b68175d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300909100844p3ec611a9hc8ee25e22b68175d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5447b4d7704a7d5d Message-ID: <12d58c160909100941x1ff1a070lf27f79fc3fd3114b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: kecti From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5fb92dfab8304733bdefa X-archive-position: 2293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001485f5fb92dfab8304733bdefa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Why does the x2 of {kecti} need to be a person? Can I not feel pity for a > dog? Similarly, though maybe a bit less arguable, does even the x1 need to > be a "person"? > > kecti kec ke'i pity x1 (person) > pities/feels sorry for x2 (person) about x3 > (abstraction) 4c 23 (cf. cinmo, xendo) > A quick spin through the gismu list shows that the restriction to people is not shown consistently for places regarding brain-states. Good catch; that should probably be fixed. In any event, I can't imagine they need to be people. I'd guess the main thing is you can't put an abstraction in those places. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --001485f5fb92dfab8304733bdefa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Why does the x2 of {kecti} need to be a person?=C2=A0 Can I not feel pity f= or a dog?=C2=A0 Similarly, though maybe a bit less arguable, does even the = x1 need to be a "person"?

=C2=A0kecti kec=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 ke'i pity=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 x1 (person) pities/feels sorry for x2 (person) about = x3 (abstraction)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 4c=C2=A0 23=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (cf. cinmo, xe= ndo)

A quick spin through the gismu list shows that the re= striction to people is not shown consistently for places regarding brain-st= ates. Good catch; that should probably be fixed. In any event, I can't = imagine they need to be people. I'd guess the main thing is you can'= ;t put an abstraction in those places.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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