From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 10 18:38:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mlv5i-00073S-Vr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:38:23 -0700 Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mlv5V-00072Z-D6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:38:22 -0700 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8B1bt1p018097 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:37:55 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.d3f.47d518a7 (41809) for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:37:50 EDT Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3f.47d518a7.37db03ee_boundary" X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-archive-position: 2306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --part1_d3f.47d518a7.37db03ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/2009 08:45:06 Eastern Daylight Time, jbotijlan@gmail.com writes: > The definition of "cnino" includes "x1 is unfamiliar to observer x2 > ..." as well as "x1 is new to observer x2 ...". And we can assume that > "unfamiliar" in this sense is the same as "unknown". In view of this, > if X is unknown, X must be new in the sense that it is unfamiliar i.e. > "cnino". I think what you mean by "new" in your comment is "citno". > "facki lo citno" is not be pleonastic. But "facki lo cnino" is. > > > tijlan > Good point. stevo --part1_d3f.47d518a7.37db03ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 9/10/2009 08:45:06 Eastern Daylight Time, jbotijlan@gmail.com writ= es:


The definition of "cnin= o" includes "x1 is unfamiliar to observer x2
..." as well as "x1 is new to observer x2 ...". And we can assume that
"unfamiliar" in this sense is the same as "unknown". In view of this,
if X is unknown, X must be new in the sense that it is unfamiliar i.e.
"cnino". I think what you mean by "new" in your comment is "citno".
"facki lo citno" is not be pleonastic. But "facki lo cnino" is.


tijlan


Good point.  

stevo --part1_d3f.47d518a7.37db03ee_boundary--