From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 14 06:08:34 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnBIH-0006TV-Td for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:34 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com ([209.85.218.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnBIC-0006Sx-8S for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:33 -0700 Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so2029541bwz.34 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i4rsKRbS7tNTI11w2iz8WjU+Se9bcviL/jFLbOssL+M=; b=XOSwS+nKjn9UoRGfKTSkJMfASw8XviGxf7zEPBAlkoeo5/n4Xw6qSh0CTXyjsVsLLg kh/g6g5r/Emm3gkLoW7XsLd2LKujRtI+KIZEv5J5XCNNVCcq7En66aWBozk/xM4Q6MSx qX+QiN1BZOJZMtBdkPmBdW1qNI4X27KNYPVAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=itM8OnA1cyL0Y/YGDN5y7gwjVsVJNb/oTJYbBlnT+LYSppOEO+uGEcBHtiSDF5LYBn vXiVajQVnqYEjY2LiHU8lLOZxXDjOGNPuJAe57TiwDp5aRt5JVencz3393XUI3PjWBjS BpyMVjM7dCQZeJdykTfB+OO6HUOGeFz7/wDHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.132.204 with SMTP id c12mr2055614fat.80.1252933701368; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:08:21 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f7b2d095dfbeac78 Message-ID: <4de8c3930909140608h31260d48s30be719d8b78bd36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Watch out! From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/14 : > In a message dated 9/13/2009 23:11:58 Eastern Daylight Time, > phma@phma.optus.nu writes: > > > On Sunday 13 September 2009 21:19:47 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >> Suppose you want to give someone an immediate warning. >> For example, he is about to carelessly step on the pavement >> and be hit by an oncoming car.  {e'unai} seems to weak.  It is, >> after all, only a suggestion not to do something.  What should >> you shout? > > o'i! I sometimes say ",o'i .urci" when I see a poison ivy plant - not that > anyone around understands that. > > > Or "o'isai"/"o'icai" for more emphasis. > > stevo "o'i" doesn't really have a vocative, warning sense, does it? I've heard about the experimental, imperative attitudinal "dai'o". "o'idai'o" would mean "Feel caution!". Generally i would prefer the observative "karce". That way i would be able to suggest (or be suggested of, if i'm the one carelessly stepping on the pavement) the actual object of caution at which to look. That's probably more effectual and life-saving ;) than "o'i" or "o'icai", which tells about nothing other than the emotion of the onlooker. mu'o mi'e tijlan