From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 14 13:30:42 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnICA-0001Zv-5D for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:30:42 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnIC6-0001XW-3l for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:30:41 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090914203031311.UQBG26991@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:30:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3716D9AB4 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni-opportunity-bringing along Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:30:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <399260.69436.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5a3750120909141021r2c97fa89nf20ac27a6aba7b70@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5a3750120909141021r2c97fa89nf20ac27a6aba7b70@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909141630.28362.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 14 September 2009 13:21:56 Oleksii Melnyk wrote: > 2009/9/14, Tom : > > What could possibly go into the x1 place? I can't think of anyhthing > > sensible. > > And, probably, we can use "lo se krixa be vo'i cu gusni da de" for > de-scribing some "optically blind" creatures, like bats, dolphins, > etc. I wouldn't say that. Sound isn't light, and a bat's sound image processing is quite different from visual image processing. Neither bats nor dolphins are optically blind, btw. "Blind as a bat" comes from the flight patterns of bats, which look as if they can't see where they're going, but they change course mid-flight to grab insects, which the batwatcher may not see. Blind animals in otherwise sighted taxa typically live in caves or underground. (Bats live in caves, but they fly outside them.) Pierre