From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 15 06:07:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnXkj-00084z-Lz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:07:26 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f197.google.com ([209.85.210.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MnXkb-00084X-HP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:07:25 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so13952615yxe.2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Wf+Kh1RuLRmDI55LKcg4o5znNRpRPVZZ+PcNOsDY3i8=; b=NvLZR/2X4VoiXmEb5PBPmJ3U760iyfvZ9kQsEN16vbZ9cVkbfS3P5Q6bY9tD7aH+it E8XOacBxbPEO5bj9EOeNW84hReZCcw+oyKv1JSGLmCTpKVewivEfNqNqsCgn/hjexS10 g4xM4iOTAMPwzmK9VoVffQsPkCiEds7SP7+XA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AB+bd4/ANufXiehgtQ+MEZ10mjkZ1etgQ9sODTstK3aCmpeCeFtL7uKcZzt1zO6358 bpQPS1/pons3T8FWVAsQjN3SBLZ4+ltr6E+s0zY4tvSovQv/dWruWsv04RJ9pj9GrExg 2HbGu4Wg6SqQveIkLyB3Kd/UFgPds9RGV0xiQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.88.18 with SMTP id q18mr10643207ybl.307.1253020030281; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:07:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <399260.69436.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200909150150.30597.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:07:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909150607l37c71bbnaa12cd7736885288@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni-opportunity-bringing along From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd648cccd267f04739d7534 X-archive-position: 2336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd648cccd267f04739d7534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Besides the above replies, if the x1 were somewhere else it would be more wordy/awkward (well, not really) to say things like {mi viska lo gusni}. I've definitely noticed a pattern in the gismu that, when possible, if it makes sense to say "the garden" then most likely the x1 position ( of {purdi} for instance) is going to be "x1 is a garden". So likewise "the light". This really tripped me up with {rinka}/{mukti}/{krinu}. From my english "x1 causes x2" sounds right, but "x1 does something for reason x2" also sounds right (even though "the reason" is in x2). On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Ivo Doko wrote: > > That means that wood is light emitted by a fire. > > Oh. > > > > Whatever goes in x1 of "gusni" is light. > > What's the point of that x1 then..? :-| > > If that's the case then I must notice that this gismu (gusni) is > rather poorly constructed. > > > > --000e0cd648cccd267f04739d7534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Besides the above replies, if the x1 were somewhere else it would be more w= ordy/awkward (well, not really) to say things like {mi viska lo gusni}.
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I've definitely noticed a pattern in the gismu that, when possible,= if it makes sense to say "the garden" then most likely the x1 po= sition ( of {purdi} for instance) is going to be "x1 is a garden"= .=A0 So likewise "the light".

This really tripped me up with {rinka}/{mukti}/{krinu}.=A0 From my engl= ish "x1 causes x2" sounds right, but "x1 does something for = reason x2" also sounds right (even though "the reason" is in= x2).=A0

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.co= m> wrote:
> That means that wood is light emitted by a fire.

Oh.


> Whatever goes in x1 of "gusni" is light.

What's the point of that x1 then..? :-|

If that's the case then I must notice that this gismu (gusni) is
rather poorly constructed.




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