From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 17 05:03:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoFiK-0004J6-3w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:03:52 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MoFiD-0004Gy-W9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:03:50 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090917120339309.CHDF6569@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:03:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF7D3535 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:03:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:03:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <916765.91562.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <916765.91562.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909170803.30456.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thursday 17 September 2009 05:14:04 Tom wrote: > "lo se dirce", the radiation, seems to > me more appropiate to fill the 'energy'-place, less of a property and > more of an energy (I think). Examples that don't give the properties of > light are hard to come by. Maybe "lo selnavni cu ga'u gusni mi lo tubnu" > neon from above illumines me from tubes (in which I'm not sure whether neon > isn't also a property) lo selnavni isn't a light. It's a number or something which indicates which of the noble gases you're talking about. The words "kliru" and "sodna" have the same place structure; the other element names, including lujvo made with these such as "xunkliru", are intransitive. In "ga'u gusni mi lo tubnu", the light is up. This isn't the same as the tubes being above. ga'u gusni mi lo tubnu: The light is above, maybe illuminating the top half of me or of the room. mo'iga'u gusni mi lo tubnu: The light is moving upward; the tubes are below me. gusni mi lo ga'u tubnu: The tubes are above me. gusni mi lo mo'iga'u tubnu: The tubes are moving upward. Pierre