From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 25 10:21:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrETx-0003K6-0n for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:21:21 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com ([209.85.218.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrETs-0003Ik-Jj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:21:20 -0700 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2248121bwz.34 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7hrgMjXtD5gVyoqFduMlm3xeGH+ORK+KXImvCaMLomg=; b=ITUFpEVgOGBaClRbAWyFt8ZSPKULuRIakonrJUYWwTc/K9C+Q7AgHD2HVGq4Hae2wr nAb3kE1GGJTbHEx4F2ybJSEhAkAxo4yWXUZrGx12isn7Co/FLIhEg0pVOILndYNEfG8G LJ+hQWmlLk237Y9qpK8FSO6SmwG+UWdpuHSQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bNbkYjTtveEjiseKQZMiuI5GRrZp6ddT/2HcZcSI6utFOm16kr4sBjC2yMsI/pNUc1 NeF+w11CBIndYWxrhaqo/Wn6nfz5gnskRdUv5iwmxTmwErGzHd/tDw5TGTbZm1TdkEdR hdkfvTPuQA7nAuC6Z4Od02UQT1dSlSOer4SYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.76.32 with SMTP id d32mr149316mul.98.1253899269750; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74145aa00909250740s14ae670r4ba0536ea04ccf48@mail.gmail.com> References: <74145aa00909250740s14ae670r4ba0536ea04ccf48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:21:09 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 83afd5ee4bd2edea Message-ID: <4de8c3930909251021t1c5c0142i24d4c859dffdeaf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98There?= is the view from =?UTF-8?Q?here=E2=80=99?= question From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/25 Dino Alfier : > ‘There is the view from here’? Like everyone else, i don't understand what you want to mean by that. I might suggest a literal translation: jvinu to'o ti The selbri "jvinu" alone can mean "there is the view". "to'o ti", "from here", is a tag that modifies the selbri. 2009/9/25 Ivo Doko : > le jvinu fe vi ragve fe do That is ungrammatical. Did you mean "le jvinu pe vi ragve fe do" or "le jvinu be vi ragve fe do"? tijlan