From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 25 14:17:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrIA1-00033b-Ix for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:17:02 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrI9w-00033D-9U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:17:01 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so2729834ewy.0 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8vSCUlIvWiUgHlewgRlJeS9uc8WbOmuKiymwjRA+p/s=; b=htmKfava/4kiL2MAkpVnlnWesaWy8uVzt6fVmntyPnc/Ym0l51PeSPZdFa4BNK95ST 9WglbrUvqmCboDDGBNQqCF2cRdRi3fMhjz7uZczghEacZ7LaE7QaYZ54HwXoIQYvIP6x eF2uhcCgRe7XOYMPhRDqEDEcs7EUqe0Kg6NLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=q+7OTJfpGvf5UCeEFC6+9TYdZUnbLFj3zceSNuupoBVn4EK9ly/xISRnS2wfrRmtT2 3xvehDqDptrom3ta773KWgYIu7Thty8NwYfFEThSjkjrlEb+auitmVrOaqXBJat9RXrd bTNkM4eICDNz4elpyAx+ZeHBMPx5Yf+35mbL0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.131.11 with SMTP id i11mr121776ebn.68.1253913409642; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001517741a6af8cbd30474689ce5@google.com> References: <74145aa00909250740s14ae670r4ba0536ea04ccf48@mail.gmail.com> <001517741a6af8cbd30474689ce5@google.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <74145aa00909251416y1fb2a156w2c458a98f5f21754@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: =?windows-1252?Q?R:=91There?= is the view from =?windows-1252?Q?here=92?= question From: Dino Alfier To: rdentato@gmail.com Cc: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5971f5c613604746d7749 X-archive-position: 2411 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dino.alfier@googlemail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001636c5971f5c613604746d7749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for you kind help. Clearly, I still have a lot to work to do. Wha= t I would like to express is this: From here (that is from where I am) there is an unspecified location/place that I call =91there=92 or that I conceptu= alise as =91there-ness=92. I thought that there might be a concise way of express= ing it in Lojban so as to almost conflate the two notions of here-ness and there-ness in a single concept. I will keep studying and I will back in touch when, hopefully, I shall be able to make the most of your generous advice. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > About a piece of lojban being grammatical or not, I usually go to jboski = ( > http://www.lojban.org/jboski) to check. > In your case, {va jvinu fe vi} doesn't parse. If you are in IRC chat, mak= fa > will work as well. > > About the way to say it, being lojban a "logical" language, I think that > the first thing would be to better understand what you want to express. > > Do you mean "(what you see there) is (what can be seen from here)"? This > would make sense if you were pointing to a picture on the wall that > represents exactly what you would have seen from the place you are, if yo= u > had looked out of the window. > > Or does it mean "the view I described earlier, is the one from here"? > > I think once the exact meaning would have been cleared, translation might > become easier. > > mi'e remod. > > Il giorno 25/set/2009 16.40, Dino Alfier ha > scritto: > > > > Can one write =91va jvinu fe vi=92 to mean =91There is the view > > from here=92? I mean, is it grammatically correct? (Never mind if it so= unds > odd - > > it sounds odd in English too.) If it=92s not correct, how would one wri= te > it? > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > Dino --001636c5971f5c613604746d7749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you for you kind help. Clearly, I still have a lot to wo= rk to do. What I would like to express is this: From here (that is from whe= re I am) there is an unspecified location/place that I call =91there=92 or = that I conceptualise as =91there-ness=92. I thought that there might be a c= oncise way of expressing it in Lojban so as to almost conflate the two noti= ons of here-ness and there-ness in a single concept. I will keep studying a= nd I will back in touch when, hopefully, I shall be able to make the most o= f your generous advice.



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:29 PM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
About a piece of lojban being gr= ammatical or not, I usually go to jboski (http://www.lojban.org/jboski) to check.
In your case, {va jvinu fe vi} doesn't parse. If you are in IRC chat, m= akfa will work as well.

About the way to say it, being lojban a &quo= t;logical" language, I think that the first thing would be to better u= nderstand what you want to express.

Do you mean "(what you see there) is (what can be seen from here)&= quot;? This would make sense if you were pointing to a picture on the wall = that represents exactly what you would have seen from the place you are, if= you had looked out of the window.

Or does it mean "the view I described earlier, is the one from her= e"?

I think once the exact meaning would have been cleared, tra= nslation might become easier.

mi'e remod.

Il giorno 25/se= t/2009 16.40, Dino Alfier <dino.alfier@googlemail.com> ha scritto:
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> Can one write =91va jvinu fe vi=92 to mean =91There is the vi= ew
> from here=92? I mean, is it grammatically correct? (Never mind i= f it sounds odd -
> it sounds odd in English too.) If it=92s not corr= ect, how would one write it?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
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>
> Dino=

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