From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 25 14:25:00 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrIHj-0003ho-Tj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:25:00 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f211.google.com ([209.85.218.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrIHg-0003hM-Jy for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:24:59 -0700 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2384933bwz.34 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UiAkbdcllsaud98sVjBw9B61y+oppa0Ad04Ox34ygv8=; b=qpzsIXX8Id86jHVFe66aN7zZMjHP+Cb8VnwKKz+X1y7o2lN7aTgDbivQu10sE4qHty Sify6uknC7jdvLrBtlZfywUuEAKrXmEZ/jA9Z18cHoZlyAr4X//U94fE8Jjd5SnXfM4I SsXLs0JTNRJCP2JYsPGQUM4GLFnfK41QTuG/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P+2DvW9luV7xdUwGo89UaXdYy5iEn+LW48qhd22txwTAtWZ1ixZU+m6GI8439jNwD7 0tLiFhZqN8frtpGfxO8XKlvOD5I0PPMFbsH37A1l7sCibnK88Bad7U1PdfuUw+l4arsm JqVD5CoT12hvjmP3XJvx6/bLODxxwPayEuo2g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.140 with SMTP id g12mr220976faa.50.1253913889905; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <74145aa00909251416y1fb2a156w2c458a98f5f21754@mail.gmail.com> References: <74145aa00909250740s14ae670r4ba0536ea04ccf48@mail.gmail.com> <001517741a6af8cbd30474689ce5@google.com> <74145aa00909251416y1fb2a156w2c458a98f5f21754@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:24:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: =?windows-1252?Q?R:=91There?= is the view from =?windows-1252?Q?here=92?= question From: Ivo Doko To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/9/25 Dino Alfier : > From here (that is from where I am) there > is an unspecified location/place that I call ‘there’ or that I conceptualise > as ‘there-ness’. I'm confused as to how "the view" fits into this what you're trying to express. Do you mean something like "What I see from here exists/is somewhere out there.", i.e., "The view from here is not an illusion."?