From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 02 12:17:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mtncx-0007qQ-6L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:17:15 -0700 Received: from mail-px0-f188.google.com ([209.85.216.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mtnck-0007ob-R2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:17:15 -0700 Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so1217372pxi.25 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U1OOoP7P8E6G/WchSHwWMGO1JvELQFeihXGSQSkjJc8=; b=ZVk/6bgPnI6Z7QSf0B0UQbzG3K4ltl+EXKHOtohOf0tE7JaGkAVPWC8Hbzj67ZfAp5 6MOSR2LK3s3YQZqDDyGzbFxvDCZxpkuQrJZnhCmUp2s3c/TROZhSiIHUs0VvJ7Qhzi7W t7LIXYd/5tP99v9gfIP6NtsCtJZU6P+MsMXHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GXGK79Zo9KeJEzhCsnU7KAq9s6zx020+yHQOi5qNvrSuFyJ/Fyjo3IGUR4+KJfhy7f SNolbAz8otTqN9jHSr2UJ9AKjTU5RA3zLMkn8kLyJ0NtLKSkHRJ/ctVVEE4aOjmgzRtG gyMKYyoqqLSnx5LN5qErzH6alVNsJ5qm8glX0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.151.24 with SMTP id y24mr356904wfd.296.1254509164193; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860910021120n1033c6a3wbef9131c23f2c9a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860910021120n1033c6a3wbef9131c23f2c9a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60910021146h676e9673o2cb8ee6816b6aa9a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: using 'se' in conversation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Ryan Leach wrote: > Are these how I would say the following > 1. What I see is good > 2. I see what is eaten > > 1. le mi se viska cu gleki > 2. mi viska le se citka > > If not please advise. As others have said, your second is spot on. The first, if you are really particular about your translation, and what to be absolutely clear that YOU are the seer, then it is "le se viska be mi cu xamgu" (the seen-by-me is good) --gejyspa