From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 30 05:09:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3qHt-0008Sk-J9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:09:02 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3qHo-0008R5-61 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:09:01 -0700 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3518263bwz.26 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0Lb7tCBq8A5OU/ZBLAPvJKGnEe0sAWwtWloFVxqg8Ac=; b=unhEi1V4re2b1MqJ1MaomDDyOR5DhARD5ffchGZgNRKXB3a8L3nfNONY+koMVFfOPz Jv2z3Yy+6xSvi3RqCpjxMsAr7XjnJpfYLwv0cILAycWw2X/GxZNVgQaZZmXA7Tq6ktpp xlpxIomg5xznf47pl7WLKU8YgkEBoA8dkIbco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QoiKP/i1pwZ+GDxYo77HwDvSk/NudYA6LccPxkvQEpdxX/mg0njNIpCXzH/DdXnRto QKCcVtzwG4pK47LdjRksiDvEMJfiNHKyo6RFB1faKpLTHkCrXa9gP72KzzvdJac0dYmP wuADHXs3TSOnrvsIpwU3pGjD6RGMyeF4PZcuQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.86 with SMTP id 22mr200752faq.65.1256904529438; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860910300117p783a4d07s107bb08bca743531@mail.gmail.com> References: <199799.90127.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4de8c3930910270800w6aa10fafj55aff7d779006e23@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860910300113j1021959m5ed92e77354be5d4@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860910300117p783a4d07s107bb08bca743531@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:08:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a86dfd46f6625b29 Message-ID: <4de8c3930910300508l5e231aa7hc1cd83da541d24e7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Quizlet problems From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/10/30 Ryan Leach : > The one's I think you must be talking about are the names of the > languages- I got them directly off the lojban.org pages. They are > lujvo cmene- I don't know what else to call them. I will post the > links to them here. If you would like me to rename the quizes and > lujvo AND cmene, I can do that- no problem. > > links showing where I got the offending words: > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Names+of+Languages It's not your fault that the terminology is somewhat confusing. Allow me to explain. A cmene is something that the gadri "la" makes. "la" can be attached to e.g. "jbobau" or "lojban". So both "la jbobau" and "la lojban" are cmene. The difference is of course the thing to which the gadri is attached, i.e. selgadri. "jbobau" has a consonant cluster and ends with a vowel, that is the definition for brivla. "lojban" ends with a consonant, that is the definition for cmevla. Both brivla and cmevla are no cmene without "la". What the term "lujvo cmene" would most likely refer to is the form of "la jbobau", not of "la lojban" or "lojban". You might say: "lojban" comes from the lujvo "lojbangu", and "la lojban" is a cmene, so it's a lujvo-ish cmene, that is a lujvo cmene. But then we would lose the best distinguishing label for "la jbobau". Instead, we might refer to "la lojban" as a cmevla cmene. mu'o mi'e tijlan