From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 30 17:25:00 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N41m8-0004d7-5r for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:25:00 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f198.google.com ([209.85.212.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N41m5-0004cr-CH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:25:00 -0700 Received: by vws36 with SMTP id 36so740144vws.28 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=soIBaxAhaNqoKwJaFgGf22Ke89WRA9XOIhk1lZtJB68=; b=bJYcPrtphrv/7ScStzcI1n5j6BDkMTaZSiVo9Gylu2kGT9iOn4Lpgntq/FGWIkFIiM RFoYChIMMQJhotXtO4LIz/SZmLcWIm19OsrF5Hv3faoPAwkN3Eo25CY3zSBFLWOOf48W IEDbbb8V/Udo5Xhkdmuz5/LPDLQH3oju6aGY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=OZMEcnDOi0fh3gFrWHW4zqB90EoeziHB3AaUI6uoaP2RBmY2q8iVRtF9fYB0Hb7yDg la2xvNn3P7bg+KJ6djL0STxHX3STPcxyD7U+u8bwY7u30JlMy9nIZkGmYCpAq/Df2ZYP dvjDdU+d1km4l93GpDmCyKiWyGwSC7jdVWI5A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.124.92 with SMTP id t28mr1949079vcr.77.1256948691120; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910301201.33462.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <27513e550910291914p6c2f06cdi4c6ee61a8d056744@mail.gmail.com> <200910300049.45845.phma@phma.optus.nu> <27513e550910300836x72c7bb57jced0b80f9415fbf3@mail.gmail.com> <200910301201.33462.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Oren Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:24:31 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550910301724t26c26060sae87b3b6ed5358ca@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: n00b translation request To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045015c3c3c34020477302c23 X-archive-position: 2502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --005045015c3c3c34020477302c23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The two sentences below were not my doing! These were the proposed earlier in the thread by Pierre Abbat and Luke Bergen, respectively. Both contain a "sel" prefix, which I know has something to do with a "second conversion," but in this context, I can't find an explanation for why it's necessary-- we're just making a tanru right? I've skimmed both CLL and level 0. If someone can help me understand why 'sel-' is added to these, I would be very grateful! mu'omi'e .ku'us. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 00:01, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > 1. *.i nalcertu ke fanva selcpedu > > .i lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu* > > > > Can someone explain or point me to where I can learn about why adding > > 'sel' is necessary? > > I think you're confusing the place structures of "cpedu" and "preti". lu ma > zasti? li'u preti zo'e mi do .iku'i mi cpedu lu ko ga'orgau le canko li'u > do. > --005045015c3c3c34020477302c23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The two sentences below were not my doing! These were the = proposed earlier in the thread by Pierre Abbat and Luke Bergen, respectivel= y.

Both contain a "sel" prefix, which I know has somethin= g to do with a "second conversion," but in this context, I can= 9;t find an explanation for why it's necessary-- we're just making = a tanru right? I've=A0 skimmed both CLL and level 0. If someone can hel= p me understand why 'sel-' is added to these, I would be very grate= ful!

mu'omi'e .ku'us.

On Sat, = Oct 31, 2009 at 00:01, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wr= ote:
> =A0 =A01. *.i nalcertu ke fanva selcpedu
> =A0 =A0.i lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu*
>
> =A0 =A0Can someone explain or point me to where I can learn about why = adding
> =A0 =A0'sel' is necessary?

I think you're confusing the place structures of "cpedu"= ; and "preti". lu ma
zasti? li'u preti zo'e mi do .iku'i mi cpedu lu ko ga'orgau= le canko li'u do.

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