From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 01 03:59:16 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4Z5Y-0007Ee-2M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:59:16 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4Z5T-0007EL-Kq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:59:15 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so667424fga.10 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:59:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=o7E4f0TKebXrDgnpCfavVBc7dEMbJmws2gmU9ik/P58=; b=sB4c+eJ9yrIxL6Go0kcpOVromBDWqTkrHt0pLoxb93YRgrpibI59KBQ+T3gziAYhKv Fs2LMAO2dbgvw2Zo7UpQJC+kR3lnoyDXyriJOMahGW/8GuJueNtreIiOugysB7Gzl5en TEtGUt1wK3jBDfN9rnbPN6ku0QKbj4GqQmrs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ARhRtMLGr3HE/fBQ5/W7oVeWZgId/KFsrMQShZE3ugV0pwg3UJ+/lVjhcqWQqGURxO m2MuSiVKELiut+AItm6zn2XMtNDHtjJ9MoVMVnlyDwDYVW1SOtAM3NUeCVBTNYGT1Y7J f22tb7OBZiJxvw5nS0DfZkHr7jjF7v2lfzFuk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.17.65 with SMTP id r1mr597975faa.5.1257076750042; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:59:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860910202255k1c380239l9f51bb55d45b6b80@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910201959o1e21dd3di87abe0a9a11d2ab@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860910202006l3223e43y7546edfac94ed9b9@mail.gmail.com> <200910202344.59039.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910202255k1c380239l9f51bb55d45b6b80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:59:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 111d04c81f545804 Message-ID: <4de8c3930911010359r3fd74e61v67a124d47f2d46e4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 2516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/10/21 Ryan Leach : > Hmm what I was going for was more like this: > > you already chose, do not try > > maybe like this...? > > .i do pu cuxna .i ko na troci > > is that closer, do you think? That parses. Better suited for "already" is "ba'o" than "pu". Yoda's message sounds more axiomatic than authoritative. He isn't so much commanding you to abstain from making an attempt as telling you that the idea of attempting is logically moot. So, maybe: do ba'o cuxna .i ka'enai troci > do zukte jonai troci > > you act or try (but not both) That allows the possibility of you making an attempt, which Yoda does not think exist. According to him, what you might consider as a mere attempt will turn out to be the real shot. mu'o mi'e tijlan