From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 02 03:10:19 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4uni-0007qw-Rt for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:10:19 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4unc-0007pI-T5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:10:18 -0800 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so6283125bwz.26 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:10:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LncHvA3wPOqRPUH4ZEep0wnb+CRNiFXKjyxU31xfMzE=; b=PDifcQbLmmCg5vKuguj41nlNlcoF+cICyEHvZadQeRYp1+1t6Xy8h48sxPGbUKrMK3 7eSqvfOBn8BnsgqWfHKwid0wy58/yd+Q0rdWTwBcFwu5wam9WprzB1k+imRYMPk0ZpnZ YGK+H1fpNwXUyQ3pzegOkXvmESQ6GRSarQbrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=LfaM04t1dU1dqi8wVYcd5tfdj4YLygF1LCt743igLMnP9dFTSNIcAUuGCz1cZqYrh+ +S4oUk7dYV2BHIXIeTsY+3ba3jBjn3KwXQtMpRaV9bGldpQbiJQxfUF8YV0QmeVBWsLu KHpFAxePaETxMm10TeJQmrzumT1g3/0dNtWRg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.15 with SMTP id s15mr681353fau.77.1257160205580; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:10:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560911011900k65a08a36j55e956338b381b34@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860910311620i4b112481k6243982cd35fffab@mail.gmail.com> <200910312012.52632.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930911010100y91da761o7d75cdc0ab769264@mail.gmail.com> <200911010923.12734.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930911010753s23562bcehe5969c20c9aea60@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560911011205l6ce2c8dep86017dfb2039c1e9@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930911011426j11a78cfdvdc182e7c3bd49651@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560911011900k65a08a36j55e956338b381b34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:10:05 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 07be8d40c1482014 Message-ID: <4de8c3930911020310r4614ba7cvc661bc82d39a6998@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Study plan for a quiz- I'd like a second opinion on this one From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2527 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/11/2 Jorge Llambías : > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:26 PM, tijlan wrote: >> 2009/11/1 Jorge Llambías : >> >>> "co'i sipna" and "co'i morsi" are complete >>> events of sleeping, or of being dead. >> >> How is "co'i sipna" different from "mo'u sipna", then? > > "co'i sipna" is the event as a whole. "mo'u sipna" is just the point > at which the event is completed. But the dictionary defines "co'i" as "point event". In my view, if i mo'u sipna, i finish sleeping, not including the aftermath state. No confusion there. The problem is the other one. If i co'i sipna, i achieve the state of sleeping. What does that mean? Let's say i sleep from 0:00AM to 7:00AM. The whole 7 hours represent the state of sleeping. Do i achieve it at 0AM or 7AM or throughout 0-7AM or after the ending point 7AM (i.e. the beginning of ba'o as a point)? mu'o