From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 02 04:33:12 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4w5v-0008Nv-6D for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:12 -0800 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N4w5n-0008Me-MO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:10 -0800 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so4591697yxe.28 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:32:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wiRtceY15L2P7WElRBZQvBA6zOg1rEuDofTNow8yC48=; b=fKwANhcZQ8fSt7E2Gr7OcUU9JG+a8OK9sLCkY+9IS1H5NHBpbkei5+P9/9EPE8cDrv 5TQgl27FVZMx7Ndjt03YRECZEt2wvaQoeXpO5pWfxY4VZsYnyafkRhWEixt5tOVdGuVF ZFMyORfGgdde7DY+p5olyAAuoCJE1rU0KfZmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XfHm6qwIFzBQUgUi0om8Ebuc9eolWwGDtb6iR6erUXVYL7C+TCPNPb2ofdQMEf//Y2 wW7btt0jOTMVGXmroZDGiG5KQs55i7/jXtNBFtl7MxVIHpY8V5CcnKnh/31B6bFjb5ff cokIXRyjrSmhaq1kKW4I8hnWAcJtHr5ljSdnw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.164.30 with SMTP id r30mr8465608ago.95.1257165176903; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:32:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930911020310r4614ba7cvc661bc82d39a6998@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860910311620i4b112481k6243982cd35fffab@mail.gmail.com> <200910312012.52632.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930911010100y91da761o7d75cdc0ab769264@mail.gmail.com> <200911010923.12734.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930911010753s23562bcehe5969c20c9aea60@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560911011205l6ce2c8dep86017dfb2039c1e9@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930911011426j11a78cfdvdc182e7c3bd49651@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560911011900k65a08a36j55e956338b381b34@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930911020310r4614ba7cvc661bc82d39a6998@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:32:56 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560911020432j797f3f47qf386208280ae9e2a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Study plan for a quiz- I'd like a second opinion on this one From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:10 AM, tijlan wrote: > 2009/11/2 Jorge Llambías : >> >> "co'i sipna" is the event as a whole. "mo'u sipna" is just the point >> at which the event is completed. > > But the dictionary defines "co'i" as "point event". Yes, it means the event as one whole thing, without any regard to its development. Any event can be seen as a point if you look at it from far enough away. > In my view, if i mo'u sipna, i finish sleeping, not including the > aftermath state. No confusion there. "sipna" is not the ideal example to show how "mo'u" works, because sleeping is not something that has a natural ending point. "mo'u sipna" indicates the point at which the sleeping is completed. It only makes sense when you can think of sleeping as something that can be completed. > The problem is the other one. If > i co'i sipna, i achieve the state of sleeping. What does that mean? It probably means you slept, or you will sleep. It's unlikely that "co'i" will be used about the present because if you are sleeping now, then the event is not seen as a point, you are in the midst of it, so you would say "ca'o sipna". > Let's say i sleep from 0:00AM to 7:00AM. The whole 7 hours represent > the state of sleeping. Do i achieve it at 0AM or 7AM or throughout > 0-7AM or after the ending point 7AM (i.e. the beginning of ba'o as a > point)? I would say "do co'i sipna co'a li nopi'enono co'u li zepi'enono", "you slept from 0:00 to 7:00". mu'o mi'e xorxes