From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 13 03:05:57 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N8tyX-0001Rp-AU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:05:57 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N8tyQ-0001RM-Ie for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:05:56 -0800 Received: by pwi9 with SMTP id 9so2059311pwi.26 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:05:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xf0jR1IVzUhcjkWH1bBhPjFPpcuXlj4t1D4rmZVm68o=; b=qHyuyKeLhO4NZM3QPkttBgydt9ASPEiN7XjRu2FpAFioSNGDZxrMAjpCnMrBAoUfTw JVENm6yv47LyCKZDAOBA3Vd46EKXe4EAMQWnErh2tdTEkCspS7zBV7EPOVwNS2WoWa99 zVfVs3jPMRL7qc02NU+QEG0Zs38oCc6AnwrCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZRTSy/Gy1zcCNCPNOFLlhUzMP/GlJRHm3kPsuMf/hCc5ZhECwxfRWwYo9Nt/WVBXy3 BaehKNDic2t10JFPRaVfo4b+rSy9dryOMZGuQp269KByTMp9sAerbktFAIskpiFt5Fjh 0crabhznFLMg4sLIld1fI6l4WtJYRg43C2gwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.6.17 with SMTP id 17mr474346wff.257.1258110344079; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:05:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860911130006ob68d04cm37c4ff163b9bb866@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860911130006ob68d04cm37c4ff163b9bb866@mail.gmail.com> From: Oren Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:05:24 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550911130305m5b2753c5ia649380d118a3c9b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: some missing words? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Did you look in the lujvo list here? [http://www.lojban.org/publications/draft-dictionary/NORALUJV.txt] 1) I found "rent" right away: jerle'i jbera+pleji: rent: x1 = pleji1 (payor) = jbera1 (borrow), x2 = pleji2 (payment), x3 = pleji3 (payee) = jbera3 (lender), x4 = jbera2 (borrowed), x5 = jbera4 (term [time of a loan]) 2) Though it's certainly no semantic standard, the Chinese have no individual word for "taxi," they're just "rentout-cars." My intuition says that jerle'i karce isn't ideal because it doesn't explicitly differentiate from "rental cars." If context does not make it explicit I would use: taxi = rent car-driver : {jerle'i ma'ersazri} or {jerle'i celma'ersazri} * rental car = rent car : {jerle'i karce} ? there's probably some better way to use the juvla's sumti here... 3) kitchen is also at the link above jupku'a jukpa+kumfa: kitchen: x1 = kumfa1 (room), x2 = kumfa2 (structure with room) mu'o mi'e ku'us On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 16:06, Ryan Leach wrote: > > I've been looking around the lojban site and I have three words that I > can't find anywhere. > > rent > taxi > kitchen > > how does one express the idea of rent? Both rent money (I paid my > rent) and the act (I am renting)? > > Also can anyone think of a good lujvo for taxi? jerkarce seems like it > would wrong, but I am at a loss for what else to suggest that wouldn't > be clumsy or cumbersome. > > and how about kitchen? it doesn't seem to be in jbovlaste. I would > think a basic concept like that would have a gismu (after all computer > and radio both have gismu), but I am surprised that there is no lujvo > decided on yet. Have I just missed it? > > -- > “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes > of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.” > -Tim Ferriss > > >