From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 21 11:45:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NBvtG-0008Vb-2m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:45:02 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NBvt8-0008UD-9L for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:45:01 -0800 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so4612299gxk.6 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=lqZzdZhV8DGuenlXUATW5a6JjXdsJoWZaC8phzm32Sw=; b=h7aIUR9EaarAZHR/GkOsOjHaLvAWScK6nGJQRNwrAIMCJcO69ofRPkEI0Bv+3ywLSP U8zh7cSmgJwjY0SF3tFhPpWG23zyTNupNprQtICISTpVxY02Tp7D8fcwYkQBxixODRvX kbGClts+CS9SaKWwaDhC6G9U8fmwRaMLQ+D0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=oeOkF7+iE1H6+StpTz/QsGMBfiwkkKtND8UC3O3FUE75dLnBEHJlsgOpUlBMa0rif7 lUI/LgkwGmzO4YlgIMy7e0W5QGvuvnt4SiAg/WepF8l801Kb9QN0P9b3vCZlkw7BWZBx Z4hMZwt8lFlyCLmXDI4mzaVRTJ7NwDJBR7GQY= Received: by 10.91.199.3 with SMTP id b3mr4390669agq.88.1258832687391; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-10-132-211-252.uawifi.arizona.edu (uawifi-nat-210-16.arizona.edu [150.135.210.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1250455yxf.65.2009.11.21.11.44.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] sel- vs se Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:44:45 -0700 X-archive-position: 2567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Got a couple of usages question on the difference between the se cmavo and the sel rafsi. Is there any difference between "ti se citka mi" and "ti selcti mi"? Or "ta se klani" and "ta selklani"? One forms phrases—don't know if you'd call them "tanru"—and the other forms words —which probably count as lujvo. And don't lujvo have "specified" meanings that are more specific than their corresponding tanru? Does that affect words like selcti? mu'o mi'e symuyn