From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 24 11:40:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ND1FS-0006fK-KR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:27 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ND1FM-0006f4-DV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:26 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so1341449fgg.10 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=VkJZvZgUbcnvHa1bbrf8dabUT0ntX483Pn+OsSXsStU=; b=Aq8RABD5FpAuXRDsBnHFfR0deSai2nQyVbYUw8iTXDzbKoodhHk46QoCP4KzjAzHN5 938f+6qmIDRqnkDlcqSWB1WrBkqsZJEYitYU2QzUX1SgxejC8+TY5/vjcytVLmp13WUR iE78SfCX6OPy85AjraPZfI9YlGxXAfZNnMIW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=gdTy8mJRn7tIQAWq60goq60Dxjz3Poy1onEegC2foCW/IbLMM5A8Eu63cIFF6RF/zO 2TlrSsgRDhckcJ87eGPMccgs59X0Mh6isFmnYqN6h5+Tx5R+XCn/YXMsIMZFK3LIhBSj qv8oht7TdolFcsU5FxaCFiqCHiT5emDoJLMms= Received: by 10.103.125.28 with SMTP id c28mr2935679mun.64.1259091618290; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-10-132-209-194.uawifi.arizona.edu (uawifi-nat-210-16.arizona.edu [150.135.210.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm20006808mue.0.2009.11.24.11.40.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:40:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5a3750120911241045n158302ch4f830acafdfccabb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sel- vs se Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:40:13 -0700 References: <200911221105.31626.phma@phma.optus.nu> <36F41326-A754-44CD-BAB7-D998075C54CE@choi.name> <12d58c160911221005xc2e53d3q24f9d0d09ba2024@mail.gmail.com> <7D2D5FD9-4849-45F3-8540-EC57C0B9C026@choi.name> <5715b9300911221432y2f9724a4nb2d5156cfc2050ac@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950911221839p792181a5rf7a3ad83a7836cfb@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950911240937od3a95e8p86eefec8e933abe9@mail.gmail.com> <841CCF21-32AB-4330-8199-39FDAEDAC905@choi.name> <5a3750120911241045n158302ch4f830acafdfccabb@mail.gmail.com> X-archive-position: 2579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Well, if I chose to do it that way, I'd put something like "going" or "moving" or "leaving" in parentheses on the back side, assuming that I also quiz myself back-to-front. I'm using the SuperMemo style of long-term memorization (http://www.supermemo.com/ ), which says the point of breaking down concepts is so that you can answer questions as quickly as possible during your studying session. Formerly, I did indeed put all the places into one card, but as a result when I studied gismu cards took more than fifteen seconds to fully remember, which violated the idea of having only one easy question per card. But seriously, I'm also just interested in how people generally use "ti selkla mi" versus "ti se klama mi". To me, the former feels like the English, "This is our destination," and the latter feels like, "This is where we're going." But it's my English prejudice, and not necessarily the idiomatic connotations of Lojban. Do others think of the difference this way? On 24 November 2009, at 11:45 AM, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: >> it's better to split concepts into cards as atomically as possible, > > Yes, but all the "conversions" do represent the same concept. So, it > should be (i believe) learnt as a whole thing. It is not too hard, and > greatly reduces a number of cards. > > And how would you distinguish between "front" sides of cards for "te > klama" and "te muvdu" and "se cliva", for example? > > -- > mu'o mi'e lex > > >