From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 03 19:07:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGOWO-0005Re-Je for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:53 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGOWG-0005PQ-EZ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:50 -0800 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so29327ewy.11 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YNZSV2zTXNDLkNicGjQE89gs9/tT2vlZmQdOVN6D3ik=; b=qJD1fiGeAT7kxoUH55Dv8Q1UGxn0ECAmHbo4q4xpxfaotJvXPoyFs2p669QvEG1pVf d+hFG/YI8sN4+/q454EJpyS/wQoAHq8h4ArYVJyk1djNZZZ89Lns+3GgEcSEH+JDORG9 xc2bMNIx5oenoAWnvNB+MHQqGuAAARY+mFNLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TgdSAseK4WbUA7DRVAFcHj29BeKbFkiXdUCAUEIUtM6Hjw2Z5o5/ROFvxz3REWYkbz +r2m+/ShIjIY4UGmDUoHTJMzpXySFcrfM3dVBZpDRpPreMO14L0Pb+ch0EC9k0uECOPB /iVUg1NU1r9sj/2Mu7BeByUspAqW/BBRbAECs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.203 with SMTP id e53mr835151wef.28.1259896057442; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df0912031609q2f0c62fdt758f426476f6a124@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031552q7f7fb0a1y5f8b8b9f05049b7d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031603s73c24458iac02ab02720b2893@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031609q2f0c62fdt758f426476f6a124@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:07:37 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df0912031907x30c53216hcaeb3ae9d72eafe4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e32df5b15a0479de6822 X-archive-position: 2599 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e6d7e32df5b15a0479de6822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've decided to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to each are: 1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place structure, i.e.: Item: text: klama translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, i.e.: Item: text: lo klama translation: A traveller Item: text: lo se klama translation: A traveller's origin Item: text: lo te klama translation: A traveller's destination Item: text: lo ve klama translation: A route travelled Item: text: lo xe klama translation: A method of travelling 3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu . At some point in the (hopefully near) future, when the lessons are complete, I'll email this list. Maybe even attempt to get the lessons listed in the Software-assisted Learning section on lojban.org. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: > http://smart.fm/goals/179543 > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for >> collaboration, which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs >> to either be following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish >> to, do one of those and I'll invite you to collaborate. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson >>> to provide an example of what the entries would look like. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >>> >>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to >>>> discuss this with rodo. >>>> >>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the >>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, >>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners? >>>> >>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.: >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: klama >>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >>>> >>>> 2) Individual, i.e.: >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: lo klama >>>> translation: A traveller >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: lo se klama >>>> translation: A traveller's origin >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: lo te klama >>>> translation: A traveller's destination >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: lo ve klama >>>> translation: A route travelled >>>> >>>> Item: >>>> text: lo xe klama >>>> translation: A method of travelling >>>> >>>> 3) Both 1 and 2. >>>> >>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly >>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things >>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that >>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each >>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one >>>> person be selected to do all the audio? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d7e32df5b15a0479de6822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've decided to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to= each are:

1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place str= ucture, i.e.:

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route= x4 by means of x5

2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, i.= e.:

Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A traveller

Item:
tex= t: lo se klama
translation: A traveller's origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu
.

At some poin= t in the (hopefully near) future, when the lessons are complete, I'll e= mail this list. Maybe even attempt to get the lessons listed in the Softwar= e-assisted Learning section on lojban.org= .
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "= Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543


On Thu, Dec 3, 200= 9 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum the seco= nd: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration, which requires t= hat any one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be following me or b= e enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one of those and I= 9;ll invite you to collaborate.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "To= p Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the less= on to provide an example of what the entries would look like.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, J= on "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I've decided = to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to discuss this with= rodo.

First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete = the lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do = know it's possible.

Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, th= at being, which entry method would be better for learners?

1) All-in= clusive, i.e.:

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2= from x3 via route x4 by means of x5

2) Individual, i.e.:

Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A t= raveller

Item:
text: lo se klama
translation: A traveller'= s origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2.

Lastly, = seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly pronounce = Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things exactly as Lo= jban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that learners hear = the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each contributor record= the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one person be select= ed to do all the audio?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le = bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko kl= ama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a&#= 39;o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
=
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