From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 03 19:49:06 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGPAH-0000TA-18 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:49:06 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGPA9-0000Qs-Ts for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:49:03 -0800 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so51836ewy.11 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:48:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=86gEfDE3Ead1YvJJhsuw1yHX1gxm2nDttPGYcqkftI4=; b=lvwSy5Lf4iZnUzSg6DTIgnlMnEncWRMhbNPt3UdoZtHDDsaKSKa/crnnYdksN7/cW2 0jTdKZP3Bz231ODvoqwsBB5YTRI7ZhtfCgxvPfU1+ji/p7+XSRU40yD0qwd0pZ59l0Or HewNqyRSNx+BYaWDuyyTVcCCk7yvwqaM9RMao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=j1ux85zQL0hH7aefyMa67oAy2fOalBZlY0SyrTBKuBpzdgA9KzBJh01FupDGsBaPDt F1LZAXTy7UjGmtMG7gh5kEcS0rWOH+RhcQFbd4tcvjxeVvRvd+46+bXEtKxSuh8Guq4J gz6CA0FfRFBCV5ej4qTU2MfivF27Jz6wW9ARI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.24.12 with SMTP id t12mr2050757ebb.70.1259898531105; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:48:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df0912031907x30c53216hcaeb3ae9d72eafe4@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031552q7f7fb0a1y5f8b8b9f05049b7d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031603s73c24458iac02ab02720b2893@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031609q2f0c62fdt758f426476f6a124@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031907x30c53216hcaeb3ae9d72eafe4@mail.gmail.com> From: Sara Brand Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <4643bbcd0912031948l3cb8acb1t2c6f11d198a56306@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce02a6c664e780479defcfd X-archive-position: 2600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: seraneko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0ce02a6c664e780479defcfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This will be a really useful tool for remembering vocabulary (my biggest block right now). I'd love to help with it. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > I've decided to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to > each are: > > 1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place structure, > i.e.: > > > Item: > text: klama > translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 > > 2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, > i.e.: > > > Item: > text: lo klama > translation: A traveller > > Item: > text: lo se klama > translation: A traveller's origin > > Item: > text: lo te klama > translation: A traveller's destination > > Item: > text: lo ve klama > translation: A route travelled > > Item: > text: lo xe klama > translation: A method of travelling > > 3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu > . > > At some point in the (hopefully near) future, when the lessons are > complete, I'll email this list. Maybe even attempt to get the lessons listed > in the Software-assisted Learning section on lojban.org. > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: >> http://smart.fm/goals/179543 >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for >>> collaboration, which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate needs >>> to either be following me or be enrolled in a goal I created, so if you wish >>> to, do one of those and I'll invite you to collaborate. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the >>>> lesson to provide an example of what the entries would look like. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to >>>>> discuss this with rodo. >>>>> >>>>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the >>>>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, >>>>> that being, which entry method would be better for learners? >>>>> >>>>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.: >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: klama >>>>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >>>>> >>>>> 2) Individual, i.e.: >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: lo klama >>>>> translation: A traveller >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: lo se klama >>>>> translation: A traveller's origin >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: lo te klama >>>>> translation: A traveller's destination >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: lo ve klama >>>>> translation: A route travelled >>>>> >>>>> Item: >>>>> text: lo xe klama >>>>> translation: A method of travelling >>>>> >>>>> 3) Both 1 and 2. >>>>> >>>>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly >>>>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things >>>>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that >>>>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each >>>>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one >>>>> person be selected to do all the audio? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --000e0ce02a6c664e780479defcfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This will be a really useful tool for remembering vocabulary (my biggest bl= ock right now). I'd love to help with it.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I've decided to just make a lesson for = each format. The direct links to each are:

1) All-inclusive is Lojban gismu - place structure, i.e.:


Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route= x4 by means of x5

2) Individual is Lojban gismu - sumti, i.e.:


Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A traveller

Item:
tex= t: lo se klama
translation: A traveller's origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2 is Lojban gismu
.

At some point in the (hopefully n= ear) future, when the lessons are complete, I'll email this list. Maybe= even attempt to get the lessons listed in the Software-assisted Learning s= ection on lojban.org.
On Thu, = Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM,= Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum the second: Ap= parently, I have to invite people for collaboration, which requires that an= y one that wishes to collaborate needs to either be following me or be enro= lled in a goal I created, so if you wish to, do one of those and I'll i= nvite you to collaborate.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jon "To= p Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the less= on to provide an example of what the entries would look like.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, J= on "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I've decided to add= the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to discuss this with rodo.=

First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete = the lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do = know it's possible.

Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, th= at being, which entry method would be better for learners?

1) All-in= clusive, i.e.:

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2= from x3 via route x4 by means of x5

2) Individual, i.e.:

Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A t= raveller

Item:
text: lo se klama
translation: A traveller'= s origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2.

Lastly, = seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly pronounce = Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things exactly as Lo= jban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that learners hear = the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each contributor record= the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one person be select= ed to do all the audio?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le = bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko kl= ama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko klama le bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a&#= 39;o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu


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