From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 05 15:16:32 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NH3rb-0007Nr-IV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:16:32 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com ([209.85.219.218]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NH3rT-0007Kp-RO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:16:29 -0800 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so195112ewy.10 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:16:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GkS0qN7iW22+LKTMVpnJDLWMbKef8CHp+YqUxtPRwIE=; b=OOAE11OZsOBdxfAtctu3nZjVkoKJ6rFLR6NQsOfkNHjAl15JjpY1X1tFkxsDAXxs9D fcRgwSsAOx9FkC/cmHm8m2hDvtX8FTC9oVImuH9MV8UouGElRz7iPgbovS6rIyOh4V8Q uH76+2C/Po/nJw0QSC5njrKTJum2vdKav4dLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WeFBGl/z0LvQvC7igjj5X9ok1DyEEUJzCdYIa3Kqs6AP3wGdeuija5OGQrVgBkPCW7 A0WF1EwCMeHGbL8PF0ChgF8o78gdbdGeuIVCFys8HJ9WGUZ/27SNJTMcPGT8gx8nqAtz IZFJsEs6W5scpqM0hG0TeUIlssNug0YvB5kF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.146 with SMTP id a18mr1630031wef.56.1260054977309; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:16:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df0912051508m1c90eafew7f8340e82ebc1a2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <4643bbcd0912031948l3cb8acb1t2c6f11d198a56306@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912032225i35a35f07h2d7eb6db24644300@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912041158p7bd04c95pda723a2e69ce595a@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912041634o31e73850m7e73b3694a2888f2@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912041919j6b9a4c7eo10c92fb5ad26d100@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912042059g4194ea1dxd4c04f18e01a1f8b@mail.gmail.com> <087ADCFF-B1D8-4D91-AFC6-B88E473BB256@northwestern.edu> <702226df0912051508m1c90eafew7f8340e82ebc1a2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:16:17 +1800 Message-ID: <702226df0912051516v4c7a3e2dof36374a966c43441@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99c4b51ede0047a03690f X-archive-position: 2617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e6d99c4b51ede0047a03690f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nearly forgot- Sara's decided to start at S and work her way down to Z, and I'm starting from the top and working my way down, so you might want to consider picking a section for yourself as well. Also, since the three lessons overlap, the all-inclusive getting all items, the"sumti" lesson getting the "noun"s, and the "place structure" lesson getting the "phrase"s, please also add the relevant items to the other two lessons when you make them. You can do that by clicking on the "My Items" link at the bottom of any page, selecting the "created" tab, selecting the items for the lesson, and clicking the "add items to goal" icon at the bottom of the list. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > If you want to add pictures to the entries, you're welcome to. I had > thought about it, but I decided against doing it myself because of the > amount of work involved already. > > As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's absolutely necessary is > getting the entries themselves and the audio for them. > > In order to help, you need to have a smart.fm account, which is free. Then > you need to sign up to at least one of the three lessons so that I can find > you on the collaboration invite page, and send me a message via Smart.fm's > messaging letting me know. Once I get the message, I'll invite you to be a > collaborator. > > Once you're a collaborator, all you need to do is go to the all-inclusive > lesson at http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu and click the "Add > item" button, then the "new item" button in the window that pops up. The > Lojban goes into the left box, and the English in the right. There's buttons > to upload audio and pictures. > > There's also a "POS" button, which allows you to set which part of speech > the item is. Since gismu, selbri, et al aren't options, I've been using > "phrase" for items, and "noun" for items. > You don't have to follow that convention, but if you don't just leave the > POS blank, please. > > Also, it's a VERY good idea to have everything you want to include for an > item, such as the audio, BEFORE you add it. It's much more painful, as I'm > finding out today, to edit an item after the fact. > > If you have any further questions, feel free to email me diectly. > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steven Belknap wrote: > >> Hey Top Hat, >> >> I'll help with the smart.fm project. I had already been learning the >> gismu that are in there so far. Should there be pictures of the gismu as >> well? I agree with you about the recordings of the words; gotta get the >> pronunciation right! >> >> I'm doing this on my iphone. What do you need me to do and how do I do it? >> >> -Steve >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2009, at 22:59, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: >> >> The point to recording them is because the Smart.fm "speaks" the words in >>> it's learning programs, and the computer voice mispronounces the words, >>> since Lojban's pronunciation differs from English. As such, it is necessary >>> to record audio of the words being pronounced correctly so that people >>> learning Lojban using the Smart.fm lessons learn their pronunciation. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Steven Lytle wrote: >>> I don't see any point to recording all the gismu and their arguments in >>> this way. Once the sounds and some representative words using those sounds >>> have been learned, the whole language is accessible. I think you're wasting >>> your time and effort, but they're yours to waste. >>> OTOH, if you're doing it because you like to, then more power to you. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones >>> wrote: >>> Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso, >>> included all the sumti (as in , , ) for each of >>> the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so far. Seeing as my butt >>> really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I'm taking a break for >>> today- I'll see about getting through another 32 or so gismu tomorrow. >>> >>> None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo >>> se badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the >>> lessons, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to >>> pronounce them worngly. >>> >>> I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make, >>> either by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one >>> in, BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do >>> myself, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have this >>> finished before 2011. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones >>> wrote: >>> The all-inclusive lesson can be subscribed to right now, but it only has >>> 6 entries so far. The other two have two and four items respectively, and >>> Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As >>> more entries are made, however, they'll be able to be subscribed to as well. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon wrote: >>> This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this >>> mailing list. It's a fantastic resource. >>> I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble >>> subscribing to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this >>> one. >>> >>> Leon. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d99c4b51ede0047a03690f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nearly forgot- Sara's decided to start at S and work her way down to Z,= and I'm starting from the top and working my way down, so you might wa= nt to consider picking a section for yourself as well.

Also, since t= he three lessons overlap, the all-inclusive getting all items, the"sum= ti" lesson getting the "noun"s, and the "place structur= e" lesson getting the "phrase"s, please also add the relevan= t items to the other two lessons when you make them. You can do that by cli= cking on the "My Items" link at the bottom of any page, selecting= the "created" tab, selecting the items for the lesson, and click= ing the "add items to goal" icon at the bottom of the list.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Jon "To= p Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
If you want to add pictures to the entries, you're welcome to. I had th= ought about it, but I decided against doing it myself because of the amount= of work involved already.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thi= ng that's absolutely necessary is getting the entries themselves and th= e audio for them.

In order to help, you need to have a smart.fm account, which is free. Then you need to sign up t= o at least one of the three lessons so that I can find you on the collabora= tion invite page, and send me a message via Smart.fm's messaging lettin= g me know. Once I get the message, I'll invite you to be a collaborator= .

Once you're a collaborator, all you need to do is go to the all-inc= lusive lesson at http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu and click the &= quot;Add item" button, then the "new item" button in the win= dow that pops up. The Lojban goes into the left box, and the English in the= right. There's buttons to upload audio and pictures.

There's also a "POS" button, which allows you to set whic= h part of speech the item is. Since gismu, selbri, et al aren't options= , I've been using "phrase" for <gismu> items, and "= ;noun" for <lo (se|te|ve|xe) gismu> items. You don't have to= follow that convention, but if you don't just leave the POS blank, ple= ase.

Also, it's a VERY good idea to have everything you want to include = for an item, such as the audio, BEFORE you add it. It's much more painf= ul, as I'm finding out today, to edit an item after the fact.

If you have any further questions, feel free to email me diectly.
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On Sun, Dec = 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steven Belknap <sbelknap@northwestern.edu&= gt; wrote:
Hey Top Hat,

I'll help with the smart.= fm project. I had already been learning the gismu that are in there so = far. Should there be pictures of the gismu as well? I agree with you about = the recordings of the words; gotta get the pronunciation right!

I'm doing this on my iphone. What do you need me to do and how do I do = it?

-Steve


On Dec 4, 2009, at 22:59, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote:

The point to recording them is because the Smart.fm "speaks" the = words in it's learning programs, and the computer voice mispronounces t= he words, since Lojban's pronunciation differs from English. As such, i= t is necessary to record audio of the words being pronounced correctly so t= hat people learning Lojban using the Smart.fm lessons learn their pronuncia= tion.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't see any point to recording all the gismu and their arguments in= this way. Once the sounds and some representative words using those sounds= have been learned, the whole language is accessible. I think you're wa= sting your time and effort, but they're yours to waste.
OTOH, if you're doing it because you like to, then more power to you.
stevo

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> w= rote:
Just as an update, I've managed to get through the gismu list to baxso,= included all the sumti (as in <baxso>, <lo baso>, <lo se ba= xso>) for each of the gismu. That equates to 32 gismu and 87 sumti so fa= r. Seeing as my butt really hurts from sitting in this chair for so long, I= 'm taking a break for today- I'll see about getting through another= 32 or so gismu tomorrow.

None but the first two- bacru lo bacru lo se bacru, and badri lo badri lo s= e badri- have audio recorded for them, so if you are using any of the lesso= ns, don't pay attention to the computer voice- it's guaranteed to p= ronounce them worngly.

I would very much appreciate any contributions any of you care to make, eit= her by helping make the individual items- which requires typing each one in= , BY HAND, or submitting audio for the gismu. The more work I have to do my= self, the longer it's going to take, and I would really like to have th= is finished before 2011.


On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> w= rote:
The all-inclusive lesson can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 = entries so far. The other two have two and four items respectively, and Sma= rt.fm requires a minimum of 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more = entries are made, however, they'll be able to be subscribed to as well.=


On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Leon <leon.san.email@gmail.com> wrote:
This is great. I've been using smart.fm after hearing about it on this mailing list. It's a = fantastic resource.
I noticed the site is still a little buggy since I had trouble subscribing = to one of the Lojban modules. I hope i can subscribe to this one.

Leon.



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