From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 14 18:24:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKN5f-0004hX-HF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:24:44 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKN5Z-0004bw-8c for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:24:42 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4130493ywh.2 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:24:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dzCbwmdpQCOMnV2bZD+3M/0d8s902v0YzEc+WFsqJ84=; b=qugDJnkxo4DR/ZSUAXkak69BYjDQ4OCe9rVf90ZtbFFRscQgui5vPYE5uvadSXtgWa d8vL5AfE4/2v5E1eO2Wpqb7rwspmrFkZITvISIYgsbLz1yIy15QIbSsCPR3zmaDXLrax zkklvSdgpQgHHa2WQN65S7rgR7LTG6awGyg0k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VyV9LjEOjQS4b1cPvqDHEPTHI4CPdQaXt1ZixW0DxrmP6qENF0bAnjvljmom6mfgyM /JinX+1WPkqG2M/6ZYwJEkEqoYakUR9HAMthiwdAFNLhLNLMtskcvQ0uWtgbO8akoV96 koT76b+Y1iFIzAgH9gsNSUaNq6hqOHFcwZdDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.11.24 with SMTP id 24mr5601480agk.100.1260843871212; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:24:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912141813k3e14fd91q2fb40366f0091272@mail.gmail.com> References: <429fde40912141716h2ebb6d8cy928a4cc2eed97235@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912141813k3e14fd91q2fb40366f0091272@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:24:31 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7c57becd4f611315 Message-ID: <429fde40912141824s7a503aa9o50eb2544c613437f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xorlo, lo'e, and le'e From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2649 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I see—that makes sense; thanks for the answer! However, this part of xorlo isn't really mentioned in the Wiki pages on it at all, and so xorlo's scope seems much less general than it really is: all sumti. Could I add what you just said to the "How to use xorlo" page in the wiki? I'm sure it'd help other newcomers a lot. 2009/12/14 Jorge Llambías : > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joshua Choi wrote: >> >> Under the xorlo reform, the articles in the LA and LE selma'o are >> reformed. However, two articles in LE are not mentioned at all in >> either the informal or formal proposals of xorlo: lo'e and le'e. What >> is the status of these cmavo after xorlo? Are they deprecated? Or are >> they included in xorlo? Or are they unchanged? > > The significant point of xorlo is that sumti without an explicit outer > quantifier are not to be taken as quantifying the bridi they appear > in. In that sense, all sumti are affected, whether it's a sumti from > KOhA or one headed by LE, LA, LAhE, LI, LU, ZO, etc. > > But other than that, I think they remain unchanged (i.e. as little > understood as before). > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > >