From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 18 14:30:58 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLlLd-0001D6-VO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:58 -0800 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLlLY-00013i-P8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:55 -0800 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so3572176yxe.28 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QS7NZ2YGBBNeBUG0bAEQnJdvOqyvDZ/bLwssSQK84i4=; b=lNSby/hxt0HMwUERtctm8zTbbN+liKwEMFPZMD8LgHPB+fZ1Q+8JS1v/wV5plh6K2C j52QLcQgSNolStHW+iwZlLVEM1G+lrhAIWw55+14aFFqB/IzRRyvLOpA4Wyon5bgYdLY T6xEOw0j/NYWc2cfbZZCHyLn93jvRYBvQ6Cmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=tdCkK56JuzpL6hyrPJPRz4fmxfGcXEei//36T5xyxjbjVYKS43otx2Lwg3uAO6qh7+ egSubtvKzG6n/JnKGOtSv01OrjiriB62bbU5WYgxtecOASxxnbcsCnuPiuaQOe5ibPvp PSSDYxqzCTuG3ZpK8RCPcVMXp4Cmf7JGb1lm8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.132.34 with SMTP id j34mr7435053ann.39.1261175446266; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091218221314.GB1650@alice.local> References: <200912172230.29053.phma@phma.optus.nu> <5a3750120912180545p64d95c2cm969572cf42c406c9@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912181406u4f338dacuc47f8c6d4c6542d1@mail.gmail.com> <20091218221314.GB1650@alice.local> From: Christopher Doty Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: suomichris@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hrm... Okay, I guess this is the same issue I was having with person--namely, it's not clear what definition of the English word the gismu has. Is it best to assume, then, that gismu are essentially free of any connotations about desirability or undesirability (unless the gismu is actually about such a thing, of course)? So any of the connotations about the desirability or lack thereof would best be accomplished with attitudinals as I did before (+ cu)? Chris On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 14:13, Alan Post wrote: > Irritating could be a description of the effect that spicy food has > in your mouth, which could rightly be described as irritating, even > when the endorphins generated make that something you desire. > > Something being an irritant, in a chemical sense, doesn't imply a > value judgement about desirability. > > -Alan