From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 19 08:08:20 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NM1qu-0004wQ-4S for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:08:20 -0800 Received: from n6a.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NM1qL-0004hf-Uw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:51 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n6.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.88] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 361864.25955.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4208 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1261238859; bh=x22+4DZZdQ4PDppoIAGsfdGJG+I+QYAuDJ3RWMBdG64=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XAyhED1sZoGvtsB2aaZ/nknKbDVzh19Sepebk9xNmxnrsd6IWh6020Elt/6PO5KHByiqXgWG/bQa53vpWKC7af+ShZMjooSTmE3YYv2zc0gHdxYewRYA1BVXJHwQ3tEYPdjEP3QRGH/ZSzRtpenwO7BKbXmCjWpDwffhhszwSzw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vi6m45M9aMXj0SdWQC0z1/zsMDmePtjZW2Xfy5c0QL0sSJ8ajsDzVF0AYUFj5iVMHZFCzGAKWl8BMHiBI7PszYa4rpBzOEZlD7eFT2VqyHXMRNuilXZf0sUqc3PgJyaLP7bZQY3IZgNH9XP5dwFmxtQwSW+S8rv24L5Udn7Gf4A=; Message-ID: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w5TAzNgVM1n52Y3tMVO9xfarHbLG8bZvSXv70azqEYvOM_TglTCTh8bNgb57iVUC1R3IX7cwSoGsCaO5mhXuGlLjYD42_p69dzjmzNw7ui4Sq6O4nwDj3mECDnOTUqoEcAZ4eFnAfrlMNs.0C4CO8vDj9_kNHo1Uj1Kgy7GoGLQMbgPeDIJMRLCz1Pv0CKviyiTfT9R8jNx2IRJayA0KliBCf0sGdcSSjAB.ZQfj9K9C1krKsQOAMAiZPG3KTGCbM0qQa3z3dwhFngRXsJS8IvWM2Mv0U1e4CwHJhyYHf1Wp3ZaOY6DrroJE2GoFUHCBL4xLNtI7ixCG5hzL63EjPANFGzUIuFN4br_aTtdKDT9Wb94Gzvghwof9pr68167kM8QCtDthjevi50IM0aGx_QuaFbyAoeZz Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:39 PST Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] vlatai and logflash To: lojban-list@lojban.org, lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2671 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi ro do I'm still trying to make sense of valtai and jbofihe, and I'd appreciate some help here. References to both of these appear on the Wiki on the pages most likely to be used by beginners.  This is not where we want to discourage them from going further! 1) The reference to jbofihe (which includes valatai) is on: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Dictionaries%2C+Glossers+and+parsers 'jbofihe' is linked to an address which allows you to download jbofihe-snap_20030418.tar.tar which supposedly includes vlatai. How do I unpack it to get at vlatai? Certainly, WinZip doesn't do it. 2) The reference to logflash is on: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Learning Once again, we get a downloadable package.  No problem in unpacking it, but the program itself is, to say the least, mysterious.  MS-DOS????? I realize, the program may be very useful, but some every-day-language description of what it is and how it works is needed.  Is there such a description anywhere?  logflash.doc hardly does it! totus