From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 21 11:29:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NMnwm-0000xv-AA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:29:36 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NMnwU-0000po-FE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:29:22 -0800 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so4159658gxk.6 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:29:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LRmMlvsx2//7quXtxwF8Ns2FyQ2oj4WsNfvfEUJcO1A=; b=qtckyIf5oMYoGEopW2Jm50TWgEa7leRQOSgzmJ9re5NyCFUsgnAyGzEoEZbJf+QWEA C7gMeQ1J7Df7sP0GmEJCWs+vucS+MyLLQ0tsQpHW52ISceP1gpPVKV5eBJO2CgKm2Y3h jYZhggeHvxZPi3gd8I6dTJ4Ex8oVct4XVBzqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xePkI5cd6W9vXHM8yTJVMErHkwmVl1GEHxKHCeSkVUQvhjolc7iuC7LrzI1a90zykn 51+J2ulPkPNaIz/mpVJ5CcPs6J0N5QeHpEgoNNrVsfuLydMAtY3K3wjq5sJYzZVb7F8M jDNySy3JUsXUj5JVZO1AaVmPdA0Axi14smzxM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.135.15 with SMTP id m15mr12224724ann.13.1261423751134; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:29:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <33073.79.75.29.254.1261327629.squirrel@mailgate.denbridgemarine.com> <27513e550912201755p5b49a95dg224f022e030644ed@mail.gmail.com> <200912211327.37550.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: suomichris@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners As a grad student in linguistics, I am still kind of scared! Honestly, though, I think this is one of the reasons linguists are often such bad language teachers. I wish to god every example in CLL was parsed out like Pierre's. It would make my life way easier... On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:22, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> There's a standard sentence-glossing format among linguists: You write a >> sentence in the language being studied, then translate each morpheme, putting >> cmavo and their rafsi in caps. I'd like to see this done to Lojban sentences, >> or in Lojban to sentences of other languages. E.g.: >> >> i le nu se citka cu funca le tordu sastu'u lacpu >> SENT.SEP DEF EVENT PASS2 eat PRED.MARK luck.of DEF short grass-tube pull >> The event of being eaten is the luck of the short straw puller. >> >> On ?tiras à la courte paille pour savoir qui serait mangé. >> INDEF.PRON pull-PAST.2SING at/to DEF-FEM short-FEM straw for know-INF who >> be-COND-3SING eat-PP-MASC >> Someone pull the short straw to know who would be eaten. >> > > >  If I had seen those notations when I wanted to start learning > lojban, I'd have been out the revolving door so fast, the wind  would > have knocked over even la nikyge'u.  Think middle/junior high > schooler, not graduate student in linguistics, Pierre, to make things > more friendly. > >                   --gejyspa > > > >