From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 23 21:11:58 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNfzS-0007CS-47 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:58 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNfzI-00072R-Pk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:52 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so9608840ywh.2 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=HsHl2syJaSxBNNSIkPv4BXub3wmSA8samAXQZPE1O7A=; b=KC6gkgRcC98VpsXmFw+fHQOIYgb5VuPLP71uDYbI9lYCdXxtulsthNz3wJvi1dDNJm 07NurqL0TgtpMjcstSmc3oLXSY5+AVSq0N30oG59aJU7/pubAjGSMV/pzGkN8T1mv8Ta 9YsVP6XBTJ6V3JPNNmKIrCC+Py6S0G7CXZK40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ZSQAf8holhJNQ8Pe2qyd0AuXX8FLkdMAhAOti6R5TuqDEkekmecYpj0ZOUtXyZ717Q xGbuunQ1MxCigqo3O71bdDfPVRhXE1zYBJScrUNXnLvemCWLZ/mZDvWoRjSnZ0/p2pTX bdo0fLRw1HXrgZBoJAvWzV5r4TiV/R+QBL4PE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.105.25 with SMTP id h25mr17197900anm.63.1261631501754; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <71550650912231417k5e2e2849x6c14f0eff66d64ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <200912172230.29053.phma@phma.optus.nu> <5a3750120912180545p64d95c2cm969572cf42c406c9@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912181406u4f338dacuc47f8c6d4c6542d1@mail.gmail.com> <20091218221314.GB1650@alice.local> <71550650912231417k5e2e2849x6c14f0eff66d64ae@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:11:21 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2725 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: suomichris@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:17, Yoav Nir wrote: > FWIW you see a lot more "prenu" than "remna". > "remna" is used specifically to denote humans. There is no specific > requirement for "prenu" to be human or sentient. If you're one of those who > say "cats are people too" then you could use "prenu" for a cat. > Suppose you wanted to use legal language. Almost all systems of law have a > definition of "person" which is someone that can own property, or has the > capacity to sue or be sued. Such "legal person" can be any human, but also a > corporation. To construct a lujvo for this, I think we would use "prenu" > rather than "remna" - humanity in the biological sense does not matter. > flapre?? This is my new favorite word, and has the added benefit of sounding (to my English-speaking ears) like something like lawyers are often claimed to do to their clients...