From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jan 21 13:40:54 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4lq-000256-8d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:54 -0800 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY4lj-00021H-BW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:52 -0800 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so35590qwc.58 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ilCfPdxiXTS80NJHcgg/qT5YLj4I7EP+CPqwI9Iq6U8=; b=cBuHSVX6p2IXpkHVCTTGPT63f70O9saXHHysbRYaeZ7BMsRmi7TehfePtC/kK56m62 DaQkqjVJgmljcOa6SpaHlfhZi4HkLalBjHyOoq5KD+72fbCOa8uz/P/BWtAE8MdiRtJ/ +J8yckJPJAUHSCl7GZy0FLTG8bK4GChv6HCYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TM2r5k5rt2nQJB9deXFqvx3TKgqCh5MwK4YXIxAS3s4V5IBC8sh09lSnlFjb9aHFhX EN/zDLhOJg0Ll8C6LtyPTSjN9jlqq4/G4SvJFdCK0EKhxiAv2vOS9S/OjNRghGq8CYXr 5jfCyHCMMmg7yIryBz8LuXJoiEg8ixaye5KXs= Received: by 10.224.23.70 with SMTP id q6mr1353910qab.339.1264110045600; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.8? (ool-4355be95.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.190.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1078871qyk.3.2010.01.21.13.40.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:40:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B58C9DA.6060109@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:40:42 -0500 From: Zachary Spector User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V4 #4 References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2742 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: logicaldash@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "na'e" is sometimes translated as "not really". For instance, zombies are "na'e lifri," not really alive, but this is not quite the same as saying they are "na lifri", not alive at all. Ecartis wrote: > lojban-beginners Digest Thu, 21 Jan 2010 Volume: 04 Issue: 004 > > In This Issue: > [lojban-beginners] Introduction > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:29 -0500 > From: "Zachary Felix" > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Introduction > > Hello everyone, > > I am a junior in High School, and I have been trying to learn Lojban for the fun of it recently. I have a friend (a sophmore) with whom I am trying learn, and it is quite fun. I have been using the "What is Lojban?" book to learn, for the most part. We haven't really gotten very far, but there are a couple questions he asked me that I was not positive on from reading the book, and so I thought I'd ask people who know better... I only have one as of now, but I'm sure I'll have more questions later... > > What is the difference between the contradictory negation "na" and the scalar negation "na'e"? According to the book, "na" is saying that the selbri-relation is false, and "na'e" is saying "other-than", but how are these really different? The only conclusion I came to was that "na'e" is meaning that something else is true, though I think for most cases they would have relatively similar meanings... > > Anyway, just thought I'd introduce myself and see if I could get any help... if anyone can clear up the matter, I would appreciate it, or if anyone has any tips for learning... > > Thanks in advance, > Zaq Felix > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of lojban-beginners Digest V4 #4 > ************************************ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktYydoACgkQAkNRChG31tpvAgCfRcrEaxicG+XnTFsgFZS2LrXg lM0AniI4TqtP9bY7fqr3YKuPCECoKCg1 =wgGj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----