From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 27 19:22:14 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKxR-0001Yw-Nw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:22:13 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com ([209.85.220.209]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKxL-0001Ue-6O for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:22:11 -0800 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so283830fxm.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:22:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q7tUMgwg9b+f5BwrhqlcBJqPlnXgMeHNFWV426cQZGc=; b=AKtGE+IRWa5t7/0WuY1Zkuoz2XBBwXxqYgWIAfqNCXRe/WN7VAv80GuOcSwlTmNIlF QMnf+saVurYy+xDJsq0Uk6tYF6YmrsbL4mrW/nZ0qwGuc6Ksxazh8ghl0anKWkBrgEzQ AE4nOac6PIwNUsIoqxTI90b8fyTngIUfq1NXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=PG9z5NRXWtM4+5xFsMGOpuLh1ZSzJ/4kPrvXi9DlKa7MtAHr7Fp06UyrrMyVqgKVEc 3EIJxt9pcfH3dTyWBpmhgRQAo7qumuAXQU3rJxuoygO9Sww0F6V+2wQI+y2WR2+XItCU Mif73FR3MNLWqiGR+L5QWsk5aR/jybYekNauI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.200 with SMTP id j8mr1196136hbg.108.1264648920373; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:22:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> References: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:22:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 402b6b7641ba0433 Message-ID: <12d58c161001271922s634e8c3ana5473d7733ee2179@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "Why should I believe that?" From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d466aa1b50047e3105a8 X-archive-position: 2749 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001485f7d466aa1b50047e3105a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat wrote: > "Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the > cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm > having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most > relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which > is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort > of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in > English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'm having > trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would > > ma xu'acmu fi ta > > translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting > that?" > > Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "sidydatni" > mentioned in the entry for datni I suggest: {mi jinvi da'i la'e di'u fo ma} Gloss: I think/opine -- supposedly -- the referent of the previous statement on what grounds? mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --001485f7d466aa1b50047e3105a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat <datapacrat@gmail.com> wrote:=
"Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm<= br> having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most
relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which
is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort
of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in
English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'= m having
trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would

ma xu'acmu fi ta

translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting = that?"

Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "= sidydatni"
mentioned in the entry for datni

I suggest:
{mi jin= vi da'i la'e di'u fo ma}

Gloss:
I think/opine -- sup= posedly -- the referent of the previous statement on what grounds?

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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