From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 27 19:24:25 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKzY-0001mH-Oa for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:25 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com ([209.85.220.209]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKzP-0001iG-Kl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:20 -0800 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so284900fxm.4 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aRpazqWhvqhksRCKrYPlNPUrV2WrHpOJkyLx64ooR7g=; b=TfUYYZpn5ev+sJ2qlg141VhK7gIjItubFolGxbD2MjRBJktnzKkd6OhlnOMPtTGtsp 7HLiDaQV3UJxINzefKNYQ3P3QpAP4auq4F+SpzhS1mwFXQUMw1C1wKQHiqDzGE8aqckX ZBxok8sJBwpAwX30LjGDEaEcPiQiRlueG95Lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BH0vbcRx9HbWX5rtk2bD789YmiNap6cVkcYUmqmiEu5M36fzNm6c6Bm4pAl6f8tfXg 5tbBMJPi67p7rzw+fFwyVYyJMQr8HiZomvRBnRXviIWooSHwAst1F6T6+6mcutWM5SsA /A8zWhwnlrAFJqCvEwevd/qyjpOrhsoAJv03g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.79.35 with SMTP id g35mr5165433mul.82.1264649048416; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:24:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> References: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:24:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1a3d02c41001271924i1a48cefq8cf87704a7abc24c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "Why should I believe that?" From: Sam Chapin To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65c88864be424047e310dc3 X-archive-position: 2750 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: not.here.now@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e65c88864be424047e310dc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For a start there's {jinvi}, "opine": x1 holds opinion x2 (du'u) about subject x3 for reason x4. http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=jinvi&Strategy=*&Database=*&submit=Submit+query On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat wrote: > "Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the > cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm > having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most > relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which > is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort > of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in > English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'm having > trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would > > ma xu'acmu fi ta > > translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting > that?" > > Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "sidydatni" > mentioned in the entry for datni? > > > Thank you for your time, > -- > DataPacRat > li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li no .i je'a melbi! > > > > --0016e65c88864be424047e310dc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For a start there's {jinvi}, "opine": x1 holds opinion x= 2 (du'u) about subject x3 for reason x4.


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPa= cRat <datapacr= at@gmail.com> wrote:
"Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm<= br> having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most
relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which
is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort
of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in
English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'= m having
trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would

ma xu'acmu fi ta

translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting = that?"

Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "= sidydatni"
mentioned in the entry for datni?


Thank you for your time,
--
DataPacRat
li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li n= o .i je'a melbi!




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